Apostolic Palace = fun. But silly.

[Chigau Jiji]

This is a long post about trying to find out how the AP works...

Aiming for Cultural victory with the Sumerians,
I built the AP,
so thought I'd experiment with the AP diplo victory option,
while I cultured upwards.

Stuck on an island with Mao,
I had to wait till caravels to send missionaries to the other five empires.
Spread religion to all but Alex who had theocracy.
Even after gifting him liberalism in the hope he'd change to pacifism,
he refused to budge.
Raised my espionage budget
and got a spy in to change his civics for something like 800eps.
And voila, now everybody had Confucianism.
Could I get diplomatic victory?
Short term answer no.
In the intervening years, Fred had decided he loved Confucianism so much,
all his cities should have it,
and he took it as his state religion,
so he had almost as many votes as I
and was my opposition when the diplo vote came up.
And nobody else voted for me.
Nowhere near.
I think it's a bit like UN, others need to be friendly pretty much before they'll vote for you.
So gave up on that and went back to building cathedrals.

However, some years later,
I built seven castles as asked to by a pop up,
and suddenly I could choose as a reward +3 modifier with all others!
Well worth it.
Also, through the AP, I had been given two of Mao's cities,
so had more votes.
Diplo victory vote, I was the only candidate this time to my surprise.
I think, because Fred had given up confucianism as his state religion,
he couldn't stand. I was the only one with it as state religion.
And I nearly won! With no-one splitting the vote I was only 30 votes adrift.

So how could I get one or two others to vote for me?
Looking at the negs, everyone had -2 to -4 because I was confucian.
So I went free religion, suddenly everyone loved me,
and when the next diplo vote came up, I could still stand as a candidate,
even though I wasn't confucian any more,
cos I had the palace.
And now everyone voted for me.
Diplo victory 1834.

So, in summary, to win the religious diplomatic victory,
I had to reject the very religion that got me there.
Ironic? Clever? Silly?
Fun definitely.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Simple,

In the early 1800s the Council of the Analects determined that the expression of multiple beliefs would be beneficial to the harmony of the state. This was soon reflected in the Sumerian Codes of Philosophy. This led to a widening acceptance of the Analects as a tool for proper diplomatic relations, even among those state with governments and populations based in other philosophies. This led to the creation of the first Global Analectal Council in 1836, where all diplomatic, and in the later nineteenth century internal, affairs were decided by Analectal Courts, which were primarily appointed Sumer (the home of the Council of the Analects and seen as an honest broker by other regimes).

 

[Vertico]

true! very funny story!

 

[Corn]

Was that a poem?

 

[Chigau Jiji]

Thanks Krikkitone.
I knew it was more clever than silly,
but I couldn't quite express why.

 

[Steiner-Davion]

I built the Apostolic Palace pretty early in the game. just me and Haty were Jewish. I had just over doulbe the needed votes myself to elect the Leader of the Palace. Voted for myself, and I was still not elected the Leader and it has been like that ever since. A couple of other CIVs have some votes in the Palace, but I still have more then enough Votes to vote myself Leader, plu Haty asked to be my Vassal (which I accepted) and I founded Judaism and built the Holy City.

It is now around 350AD and I still can't be made the leader of the Palace even though I keep winning the election. What gives? Is the Apostolic Palace broken?