Arafat -- Why string him along?

I just heard something on the BBC World Service that made me sick :vomit:
And it has to do with this topic so I'll rant here.

The person doing interviews on the area was talking to officials on both sides. He does the usual chat with the Palestinian side where he endearingly lets him ramble on about 'mass civilian murders' and then points how much 'sympathy the world community feels for the plight of the Palestinians'. Usual pro-Terrorist crap from the BBC, nothing new. What annoyed me was when he talked to the Israeli...

The general is talking about the withdrawal. The interviewer asks him about the treatment of Palestinians. The general says he has deep sympathy for the Palestinians who are dual victims of a terrorists regime and the imperfection of the Israeli offensive, and says they have more of a chance to avoid violance than the 29 victims of the Passover Massacre. RIGHT after he says 'victims of the passover massacre', the interviewer jumps in and says "All propoganda aside... do you feel this is fair to the Palestinian..."

I felt like ripping the radio out :mad:
He goes on for 10 minutes about poor Palestinians, but Israeli victims are MENTIONED and the interviewer actually calls a documented slaughter of innocent civilians 'propoganda' while letting the Palestinian ramble on endlessly about 'war crimes'.
Here is to BBC impartiality in reporting :finger:
 
Originally posted by Pellaken
BAH!

eathier:

accept what the palistinains want

or

get rid of them!

you keep complaining about how to solve the problem... well take action!!!

this is what I tell people that ask me about Iraq. all the US does is complain! oy vey! its annoying!
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Well, let's see.
Accepting what the palestinien [terrorists] want, means eliminating ourselves or let them blow us up.
Getting rid of them means genocide.

Pellakan, sometimes you have smart posts, but sometimes your posts are so dumb... :lol:
 
Originally posted by IceBlaZe


Well, let's see.
Accepting what the palestinien [terrorists] want, means eliminating ourselves or let them blow us up.
Getting rid of them means genocide.

Pellakan, sometimes you have smart posts, but sometimes your posts are so dumb... :lol:
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There is one solution short of genocide, one that was used on the Jews by the Babylonians. Deport 'em all.

PS: An undesirable and impractical solution, to be sure. Just pointing out that genocide isn't the only option. :)
 
I say just put up a wall, maybe 50 feet (15 meters), around all Palestinian controlled areas. Exile all other Palestinians to areas within the wall zone.
 
Its funny how people talk of 'just move the Palestinians here' or 'deport themthere'.

Jesus H, people. These are humans we're talking about. As much as some may hate it, Palestine is there home, too.

Israel should have just dealt with that fact a long time ago, and given Palestinians full rights within Israel from the beginning.

IMHO, they've been alienated and isolated for so long they only know one way to fight back......and that one way is resulting in their doom.

They (the Palestinians) should have wised up long ago and fought back against Israeli repression in ways that have worked elsewhere......India, South Africa, the southern half of the USA. Fact is, you need to get world opinion WITH you. Blowing up families at the corner deli served the opposite purpose. They have had good reasons to protest and things to fight against, they've jsut gone about it in a completely disasterous and destructiveway. Hhhmmm.....new thread time.

So many things for both sides to regret and I think its too late for it to change.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
I say just put up a wall, maybe 50 feet (15 meters), around all Palestinian controlled areas. Exile all other Palestinians to areas within the wall zone.
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Wouldn't that be ironic! Jews forcing a religious minority into ghettos. Oh how I've missed this forum.

But as long as were coming up with new ideas for solving the mid-east problem I have one. Put simply we pay for any one who wants to leave to come to North America (ok Canada we have more space). We will put all the palestinians in Alberta, and rename it Allahberta. All the jews will go to Prince Edward Island, which will be renamed King David Island. If you want to stay and fight go nuts! Hell lets give 'em weapons too. I don't care about all the zealots dying. It might be costly but think, eventually all the zealots will die and their will be enough stability for the Arabs to start pumping out cheap oil again. Problem Solved!
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
I say just put up a wall, maybe 50 feet (15 meters), around all Palestinian controlled areas. Exile all other Palestinians to areas within the wall zone.
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Great point, Whiskey!

Hey, RM. Ever read a book called, very appropriately, 'The Wall'????

No, it doesn't have anything to do with Syd Barrett.

It has everything to do with Jews in Warsaw walled into ghettos by the Nazis. Exactly what you are advocating now.

This does get more ironic daily.
 
Originally posted by VoodooAce


Great point, Whiskey!

Hey, RM. Ever read a book called, very appropriately, 'The Wall'????

No, it doesn't have anything to do with Syd Barrett.
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Wouldn't it have more to do with Roger Waters? I always thought 'Shine on you Crazy Diamond' was the piece about Syd.

I'm no expert on Pink Floyd though, so I could be mistaken.
 
As much as such an action will be horrible and similiar to the holocaust (and I dont support it in any way) it is still different for two reasons.
one is because the jews were not a security risk or were not at war with the germans, they were simply... germans.
the second reason is because we wont do it to the palestiniens for being muslims.
as much as we fight the palestiniens, arabs with full rights still live within the boundries of Israel.

It's a bit ironic we are talking about it in the memorial day of the holocaust I guess. :rolleyes:
 
If you want to call me a Nazi, then fine.

But, Voodoo, what would you do if you and your country were being attacked by suicide bombers every day?
 
Israel isn't gonna do any of these things. Even the most extrime right winged party in Israel says we should fight only terrorists only much stronger then we do now, and although we won't attack the civilians they might either force the terrorists to stop or move out of PA areas. This, I remond you, is the most extrime right winged party. Compare that to the most left wing Palestinians, such as Gibril Ragub, who's forces didn't commit any attacks against Israelis but have allowed terrorists to use their facilities in order to do so.

The fact is that the only realistic solution is to wait till wither Arafat will die/retire or untill the Americans and europeans will realise that he simply doesn't want peace.

By the way, today 13 Israeli soldiers were killed when they had to get in by foot to the Palestinian areas as terrorists are mixed there with civilians. The palestinians blew up and entire street and killed the soldiers. I wanna hear a single european country condeming the terrorists for destroying Palestinians houses, and unlike the IDF doing it with the people still inside.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
If you want to call me a Nazi, then fine.

But, Voodoo, what would you do if you and your country were being attacked by suicide bombers every day?
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Well, gee, RM.

While you certainly have some philosophies that could only be called 'Nazi-esque', I don't think I actually called you a Nazi.

There you go again, putting words into my mouth.

What would you do, RM, if the UN decided that Minnesota is, from here on, a communist country??? Or if they created a new Arab state there......and called it Palestine. What would you do, RM? If the UN decided to take your homeland and give it to your ancient enemy? Would you just say, 'Aw, crap' and move to North Dakota?????

Anyway, to answer your question, I would hope I'd have been smart enough to have figured out that my current strategy is sh!t and not working for one thing.
 
Originally posted by VoodooAce
What would you do, RM, if the UN decided that Minnesota is, from here on, a communist country??? Or if they created a new Arab state there......and called it Palestine. What would you do, RM? If the UN decided to take your homeland and give it to your ancient enemy? Would you just say, 'Aw, crap' and move to North Dakota?????
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If I can answer the question... nonviolent resistance.

Of course, that makes the assumption that a lot of Communists live in Minnesota and are surounded by Americans that want to and try to kill them. And one would also have to make the assumption that RM had never actually lived in Minnesota, but his parent's friends did so now he wants the land they sold back (for free).

Its not like the UN planted a group of Israeli's there in 1947 and evicted Palestinians from their homes... quite the contrary, Israel would have been a state regardless of what the UN, or the Arab World did.
 
I do not understand the desire to regain "the land of our people". Who cares? Are you personally trying to make a claim on a specific peice of land that was taken away from you? Do you have a deed? If so go to court! I doubt any court would side against you. I'm not sure but aren't palenstinians alowed to live anywhere in Isreal? So make your claim and try and get your land back. Don't give me this crap about "your people's" land. Why do you care if a palestinian or and isreali lives on land you do not own. Our even worse people wanting the land of their ancestors. It was never yours!!!! By this logic I could make a claim for some land in the US because I'm a decendant of UEL's (United Empire Loyalists, Americans who sided with the British During the revolutionary war, and were chased out and killed.)
 
Originally posted by VoodooAce

What would you do, RM, if the UN decided that Minnesota is, from here on, a communist country???
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The U.S. would withdraw from the United Nations before that'd happen...and if you turned it into an Arab state...well, there'd be about ten people here.
 
"I do not understand the desire to regain "the land of our people". Who cares? "

This reminds me of the confused inquiry of an Arab official to his US counterpart:
"Why can't the damn Jews have their Wailing Wall somewhere else?"

Yeah, that'll happen the same day that Mecca is moved to North Greenland.

The desire to have access to the holy places of one's faith, and the lands of one's people is an essential and proper one.
 
Originally posted by VoodooAce
What would you do, RM, if the UN decided that Minnesota is, from here on, a communist country??? Or if they created a new Arab state there......and called it Palestine. What would you do, RM? If the UN decided to take your homeland and give it to your ancient enemy? Would you just say, 'Aw, crap' and move to North Dakota?????

Anyway, to answer your question, I would hope I'd have been smart enough to have figured out that my current strategy is sh!t and not working for one thing.
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So according to what you're saying the settlers shouldn't leave just bacause the UN said they should, right? I mean, here they live in an area that is a part of Israel according to any standard but the UN's, and here comes the arabs and the UN and demand them to leave their homes. And leave them for who? For those who kill Israelis daily. Do you expect them to say "aw, crap" and move to the negev?

Also if you have a better strategy suggest it.
 
I never understood how one temple is "holier" then another. Is not any place where people worship their gods holy? Why is an old temple in Jeruselam more holy then the temple in my hometown in Canada? I do not understand this. Would Muhammod or Jesus or Moses care if you went to temple A or temple B? I doubt it. Does going to these "special" places of worship get you a penthouse in heaven instead of a flat? And before this conflict weren't palestinians and jews allowed to cross the borders to get to their temples in other people's zones?

Catholics are still going to heaven if they never visit the Vatican
Jews are going to heaven even if they don't ever see the Wailing Wall
Muslims are going to heaven even if they never see Mecca

Fighting over these "special" places reminds me of two children fighting over a toy. I say we destroy every religious monument in the region. If they can't learn to share then neither should have them.
 
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