Are dyslexics really just stupid?

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from http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,1561490,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704
Friday September 2, 2005


An education professor has claimed that dyslexia does not exist because it has no valid scientific basis.
Writing in today's Times Education Supplement, Professor Julian Elliott argues that the term is largely an "emotional construct".

Experts have failed to agree what it is, and say that being diagnosed as dyslexic makes virtually no difference to the treatment the individual requires, he writes.

The British Dyslexia Association rejected the claims as inflammatory, insisting that it has taken years for teachers to accept that dyslexia is a real condition and not a middle class excuse for poor reading and writing.

Prof Elliott's claims threaten the consensus on dyslexia, which enables children to have extra help in the classroom and more time to complete exams.

The Durham University professor said poor readers wanted to be called dyslexic because of a "widespread, but wrong, perception that dyslexics are generally intellectually bright".

He added that after 30 years in the field he had "little confidence" in his ability to diagnose it.

"Contrary to claims of 'miracle cures' there is no sound, widely accepted body of scientific work that has shown there exists any particular teaching approach more appropriate for 'dyslexic' children than for other poor readers," he says.

But Prof Susan Tresman, chief executive of the British Dyslexia Association, said educational psychologists or trained teachers had no problems spotting the condition.

She told the Times Educational Supplement: "Dyslexia survives as a term because it is a real condition. I know of so many individual cases which completely refute what he is saying."

Up to 6 million Britons are believed to suffer from the brain disorder that disrupts reading and writing.

Last month Princess Beatrice, 17, spoke about how she was diagnosed with the condition at the age of seven after struggling to read books that her younger sister, Eugenie, could manage.

I'd like to point out that I don't agree with this. Nonetheless, it is intriguing. Is dyslexia a product of victim culture, where failure is construed as coming second, rather than last?
 
I'm sure any of the dyslexics I know in real life and on these boards would be quick to jump against this. Sounds like the guy is trying to get attention anyway. After 30 years in the field he finds that there is no: 'particular teaching approach more appropriate for 'dyslexic' children than for other poor readers.' That's not a fault of dyslexics.
 
A former colleague of mine was both a brilliant scientist and severly dyslexic.

This person's a nut and I question his intelligence.
 
Meh, i wish i was dyslexic some times.. my mate is and he got a free laptop for uni!!
 
Well, I think it is all a matter of definition, pretty much in the same way as "mental illness" vs. "insanity" or "weakness" is.

Is someone who suffers from clinical depressions ill or just a whiner? Depends entirely on the definition. Is someone who can't do math just less intelligent than someone who can (at least in that sector) or is he ill?
 
My girlfriend is dyslexic and from how she has described it, it's a lot different from just being a bad speller. As SomethingWitty said, you can be very intelligent and still have problems with your spelling/reading/maths etc due to dyslexia.

Pretty much everyone must have written an article or essay or something similar at some point and written the same word twice. "The cat sat on the the mat" for example. Then proof read it and not noticed. Apparently this is what it's like, she would know the mistake if she noticed it, but just can't see that theres an error there. If someone points it out then you know it's wrong and you can remove the extra word. It works the same for her, but it just happens a lot more frequently.

I don't know if thats how it works for all dyslexics, but thats how she describes it for her.
 
Thats bull. I'm dyslexic and must be to dumb to own my own buisness and house. To stupid to employ 15 people. So ******** that I could never go from homeless and addicted to secure in my life and its future.

Edit: I have a problem with writing letters backwards and upside down (p,b).
 
The Article said:
there is no sound, widely accepted body of scientific work that has shown there exists any particular teaching approach more appropriate for 'dyslexic' children than for other poor readers

Although the same solution may be used in both cases, that does not make the two problems identical. This is an example of some of the worst logic I've read in a while. It would even make poor-quality propaganda.
 
Whether dyslexia is real or not, spelling has nothing to do with intelligence.

Personally, I believe it is a legitimate condition. It's the only feasible explanation for many cases I've seen.
 
except for one of my sibblings my whole family is dyslexic.

intelligence is not one dimensional.
But having a name and medical description doesn't change the fact that I still read slower and make more spelling mistakes than I should for the effort I've put into it. Apply the turing test; life only cares about your success, not your reasons for failing. All the medical description does is put a finer point on the type of stupidity we're talking about, and the ways it will effect you and so coping and treatment methods. Am i the only person to who it sounds strange "i'm not stupid, I have a learning disability, spesifically..."

I think the spot he screws up is at:
"widespread, but wrong, perception that dyslexics are generally intellectually bright"

my sister couldn't read until she was 19. But doing her high school enterance exam (I forget the name) she got in the 98th percentile for math and visual/spacial comprehension and in the 2nd percentile for reading comprehension, and those only because they were the limits of the exam.
my life is similar just less extreme.

all the free lunches have been taken. to do better in one field you, on average, pay by being worse in another.
In an average situation an average person will probably do better.
but in a more desperate situation the outlier has the advantage.
 
Is it just me, or does his argument read like "I'm to stupid to recognize it, so it doesn't exist"?

As for whether dyslectics are really just stupid, as has been pointed out, intelligence isn't monodimensional. In my experience, dyslexia is a poor predictor of the individual's abilities in intellectual fields not directly related to reading and writing.

(FYI, I'm dyslectic.)
 
I'm mildly dyslexic, and my dad is more severely than I am. We both have diffculty seeing numbers properly. Specifically, we can look at, say, the number 54 and see 45 instead. We'll do it with letters, as well.

We've learned to compensate. In school my math homework would take me sometimes twice as long as it should have, because I'd read the numbers two or three times to be sure I "saw" them right. Letters never give me enough trouble to be of note, really, but my dad had a rough time learning to read and still reads a little slow. We're both perfectly intelligent men.

Dyslexia exists. There's a difference between simply being a "bad reader/speller" and actually seeing letters and numbers out of order, even after rereading your subject matter. It's kind of funky, but you really have to experience it for yourself to understand I suppose.

Considering many dyslexic children describe this same phenomenon exactly, I highly doubt it's imagined, unless we're suffering from mass hysteria. This guy's about as reliable as people who say stuttering is not a verifiable condition.
 
A friend of mine is dyslectic. He managed a Candidatus Scientarum degree in chemistry.
 
What a load of old rubbish im Dyslexic and have found out that i am in the 10% of the UK for IQ. Some Research has Showen the Einstein probberbly was Dyslexic also the Entrepurner Richard Branson is Dyslexic and he has a massive empire of businesses
 
Ultima Dragoon said:
Anyone who believes that dyslexics are unintelligent needs to get a life.

Or better yet, somehow get afflicted with dyslexia.
 
Well, maybe he has a point. All the dyslexics persons I've met were either lazy or stupid or both. They hate books (loss of time, according to them), so they just watch TV or video. No wonder they don't read/write well.
 
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