Are you Politically Correct?

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Francisco Franco is still dead

 

[Lexicus]

Key word; successful. I already admitted my own 'lie to get laid' history so I obviously am not ignoring the general idea of deception. I just don't see the value in getting caught at it.

Well part of the hilarity was when people he told that lie to would see him later randomly on campus and give him a look like "wait a minute..."

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I'll just go back to pointing out poor defenses of deadnaming and refusing to respect peoples' pronouns. Less chance of getting bogged down in something I don't actually have any desire to engage in (or way of working through, due to hyperfixation of specific interpreted linguistics).

Seems somewhat ironic given the discussion at hand. Were it not for "hyperfixation on specific interpreted linguistics", there wouldn't be any coherent reason to feel offended by being "mis-gendered" in the first place. Nothing about being called "Mr.", "Ms.", or "roflcopter" changes anything about the reality of anybody involved. It doesn't DO anything, unless someone processes it and makes an interpretation of it that's insulting.

But if that's allowed, one's already rescinded complaint about hyperfixation on linguistics. It's not a position coherent with getting upset over pronouns in the first place.

And yes, coherence is a requirement to be taken seriously. So are consistent utilities.

I can understand someone lying about liking Mongolian food or modern dance if thats suggested for a first date. Thats a pretty harmless foot in the door.

What makes one lie harmless and another one not harmless? One advantage to lies about height is that the person in question is immediately identifiable as a liar, in contrast to lies about other things which tend to take longer to reveal.

I get why people lie, generally, I just don't get why they tell lies that have a shelf life shorter than the time frame of the objective.

Yeah, that one's odd. It's also annoying to be 5'11 and 3/4 because it's technically wrong to say I'm 6ft but saying I'm 5'11 will make people think I'm shorter than I am. I don't use these apps, but if I did I'd probably say I'm 6ft while wearing shoes or something. Even crappy flip flops give me enough to make that true.

Key word; successful. I already admitted my own 'lie to get laid' history so I obviously am not ignoring the general idea of deception. I just don't see the value in getting caught at it.

In a sense, you can filter quite a bit about someone if you don't get caught in this particular lie? I'm not sure what use that has though.

 

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Yeah, that one's odd. It's also annoying to be 5'11 and 3/4 because it's technically wrong to say I'm 6ft but saying I'm 5'11 will make people think I'm shorter than I am. I don't use these apps, but if I did I'd probably say I'm 6ft while wearing shoes or something. Even crappy flip flops give me enough to make that true.

If I was 5'11" and 3/4 I would have no issue saying I was 6'. Even if someone measures you, I doubt you'd be called out on it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, that one's odd. It's also annoying to be 5'11 and 3/4 because it's technically wrong to say I'm 6ft but saying I'm 5'11 will make people think I'm shorter than I am. I don't use these apps, but if I did I'd probably say I'm 6ft while wearing shoes or something. Even crappy flip flops give me enough to make that true.



In a sense, you can filter quite a bit about someone if you don't get caught in this particular lie? I'm not sure what use that has though.

I'd just say six feet. Height measurement isn't that precise to start with, and height varies by time of day anyway.

That fits in with what I said about the date not likely showing up with a tape measure.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

If I was 5'11" and 3/4 I would have no issue saying I was 6'. Even if someone measures you, I doubt you'd be called out on it.

Maybe, but I'd have some aversion to the "6ft or GTFO" types anyway. If I get to the point where this is relevant to me I'll give it some thought.

 

[Lexicus]

Seems somewhat ironic given the discussion at hand. Were it not for "hyperfixation on specific interpreted linguistics", there wouldn't be any coherent reason to feel offended by being "mis-gendered" in the first place. Nothing about being called "Mr.", "Ms.", or "roflcopter" changes anything about the reality of anybody involved. It doesn't DO anything, unless someone processes it and makes an interpretation of it that's insulting.

This is the kind of logic-failure that honestly makes me feel like you must be an overbright six-year-old. I mean, seriously, how does someone navigate the complexities of an adult social life if this is their attitude to stuff? I can't imagine how you would interact with friends, let alone with an S.O.

"Here's a formal syllogism demonstrating that you taking offense at the thing I said yesterday is incoherent and illogical - as a result I will not take your emotions seriously - now cease your irrational display at once and furnish me with sex"

 

[AmazonQueen]

What makes one lie harmless and another one not harmless? One advantage to lies about height is that the person in question is immediately identifiable as a liar, in contrast to lies about other things which tend to take longer to reveal.

Not sure its entirely logical but one seems to me to indicate a willingness to accommodate the other person, the other is just stupid.

Yeah, that one's odd. It's also annoying to be 5'11 and 3/4 because it's technically wrong to say I'm 6ft but saying I'm 5'11 will make people think I'm shorter than I am. I don't use these apps, but if I did I'd probably say I'm 6ft while wearing shoes or something. Even crappy flip flops give me enough to make that true.

Don't think anyones going to pull you up about 1/4 inch. If they're obsessed about height and pull out a tape measure its them who has the problem.

 

[rah]

Maybe, but I'd have some aversion to the "6ft or GTFO" types anyway. If I get to the point where this is relevant to me I'll give it some thought.

Actually I'm closer to 6'3" but when asked I answer 6' 2", of course I'm getting older and will be shrinking soon enough.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Maybe, but I'd have some aversion to the "6ft or GTFO" types anyway. If I get to the point where this is relevant to me I'll give it some thought.

Yeah I wouldn't answer them either.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

This is the kind of logic-failure that honestly makes me feel like you must be an overbright six-year-old. I mean, seriously, how does someone navigate the complexities of an adult social life if this is their attitude to stuff? I can't imagine how you would interact with friends, let alone with an S.O.

I apply different standards to posting on an internet forum than I do to people I talk to IRL, or even on things like Discord/Teamspeak/etc. I don't expect to be in a minority in this regard, but maybe I am?

"Here's a formal syllogism demonstrating that you taking offense at the thing I said yesterday is incoherent and illogical - as a result I will not take your emotions seriously - now cease your irrational display at once and furnish me with sex"

Then again, I might do this if someone is being overtly hostile in the first place, like the Mr. Maam meme or something (minus the sex part). Depends on whether I rate the threat of physical violence against me as credible.

Actually your quote is pretty hilarious. Should put it on one of those "challenge bingo" boards and see if someone can pull it off at least once lol.

Don't think anyones going to pull you up about 1/4 inch. If they're obsessed about height and pull out a tape measure its them who has the problem.

I've yet to have someone pull a tape measure on me on the first date (or any time after high school football), but it sounds like it would at least make for an amusing story to tell later.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I don't expect to be in a minority in this regard, but maybe I am?

I think you are.

Edit: I think things are a bit more rigorous/formal here than in real life conversations but not to the extent that most people talk and argue differently here than in real life.

 

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Most people can pretty much judge what 6' is based on their own height.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think you are.

At least on this particular forum.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I think you are.

My experience with people on the internet in general suggests otherwise though?

And when reflecting on why that is, internet forum posts like this tend to be some mix of persuasive argumentation/disputes over facts/other stuff mixed in. Like a pseudo debate (or if we use political debates as a standard, a credible full-blown debate of pristine quality). This is pretty different from talking with friends, which normally isn't in written form with an expectation of supportive reasoning for statements. I interpret most of you as using/having some kind of supportive reasoning behind most of the non-joke type posts, even if it isn't following the same process I might use. Maybe that's bias, but if you guys are mostly just throwing random crap out there it's surprisingly/conveniently coherent awfully often.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

My experience with people on the internet in general suggests otherwise though?

We're not the internet in general though. Like I said in my edit to the last comment, this is more or less how I talk with people in real life. A bit more rigorous, a bit more formal but not especially so. The main difference is I can post sources and graphs and other stuff that's not super applicable to real life.

 

[rah]

Trolls are more obvious in real life and none of my friends do it, except in jest.

 

[Lexicus]

I apply different standards to posting on an internet forum than I do to people I talk to IRL, or even on things like Discord/Teamspeak/etc. I don't expect to be in a minority in this regard, but maybe I am?

I mean, to some extent, yes. But this isn't the real issue. Your comment seemed to imply that you believe that things are either offensive in some objective sense, or not. To me that just isn't how it works at all. You come across like a judge determining whether someone has "standing" to be offended rather than as a person empathizing with other people whose feelings are hurt.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Seems somewhat ironic given the discussion at hand. Were it not for "hyperfixation on specific interpreted linguistics", there wouldn't be any coherent reason to feel offended by being "mis-gendered" in the first place. Nothing about being called "Mr.", "Ms.", or "roflcopter" changes anything about the reality of anybody involved. It doesn't DO anything, unless someone processes it and makes an interpretation of it that's insulting.

But if that's allowed, one's already rescinded complaint about hyperfixation on linguistics. It's not a position coherent with getting upset over pronouns in the first place.

And yes, coherence is a requirement to be taken seriously. So are consistent utilities.

Who are you to decide that misgendering or deadnaming someone is not offensive, when you aren't trans, never mind the fact that the transcommunity disagree with you about your views on the matter, are we all "incoherent"? Your take is laughable and is equivalent to a white person openly asserting that racial slurs aren't offensive and that racial minorities should shut up.

Why are you presenting a fig-leaf for bigotry and transphobia?

 

[Berzerker]

And this happens more than one might think.

not judging by your avatar