Atheist mod?

[William12123]

With all these new religion mods flying about it would be cool if somebody turned Atheism a religion. It could be founded by scientific method, but i dont really know what kind of holy city there could be. Somebody please use my idea! I am a horrible modder.

 

[Tahuti]

Turn No-State religion as State Religion and enact Theocracy, that resembles quite good an Atheist government.

 

[William12123]

Not Really; no state religion can also mean pagans

 

[Crayton]

... unless the religious among your people have already converted them.

 

[Frewfrux]

I actually wondered this myself. Atheism is actually a religon, so it would make sense to include it...especially since it has had a pretty big impact on some societies. And there is no reason it can not co-exist with other religons seeing as it does in the real world. Here's a humourus sugestion (with emphasis on humourus) :

Religon: Atheism
Discovered at: Scientific Method
Temple: Addon to Bank makes it double as temple when religon pressent
Monostary: Addon to University makes it double as monostary when religon present
Cathedral: Mega Mall

Any ideas as to what the special building you get when you use a prophet (what?!?!?!?!?) should be?

 

[William12123]

Maybe it could be some sort of "shrine of knowledge"

 

[mrspank]

Since atheism is actually the disbelief of the existence of a deity or deities, and religion is the practice of worshipping a deity or deities, how can atheism be a religion?! Think about it.

 

[Instant_Cereal]

Since atheism is actually the disbelief of the existence of a deity or deities, and religion is the practice of worshipping a deity or deities, how can atheism be a religion?! Think about it.

Atheists can be religious or spiritual. There is no one, single definition for atheism and its flock.

 

[mrspank]

Atheists can be religious or spiritual. There is no one, single definition for atheism and its flock.

Wrong. Atheism, by its very definition, indicates an absence of belief in deities. Thus, spiritualism wouldn't apply to an atheist either. You may not like the way the word atheist is defined, but that is the definition. Perhaps you were thinking of an agnostic person.

Here are the definitions of the relevant words. I'll let you be the judge as to whether atheism is a religion or not.

Religious
Main Entry: 1re·li·gious
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French religieus, from Latin religiosus, from religio
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

Spiritual
Main Entry: 1spir·i·tu·al
Pronunciation: 'spir-i-ch&-w&l, -i-ch&l, -ich-w&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French & Late Latin; Middle French spirituel, from Late Latin spiritualis, from Latin, of breathing, of wind, from spiritus
1 : of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : INCORPOREAL <man's spiritual needs>
2 a : of or relating to sacred matters <spiritual songs> b : ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal <spiritual authority> <lords spiritual>
3 : concerned with religious values

Atheism
Main Entry: athe&#183;ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French ath&#233;isme, from ath&#233;e atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Atheist
Main Entry: athe&#183;ist
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist
Function: noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

 

[Honor]

I would love to have "active atheism" (anti-religionism, being against all religions and dieties) as a religion or a civic, giving a good bonus to scientific research + other possible benefits and lowering overall happiness level + a drastic negative diplomatic effect.

 

[Instant_Cereal]

Wrong. Atheism, by its very definition, indicates an absence of belief in deities. Thus, spiritualism wouldn't apply to an atheist either. You may not like the way the word atheist is defined, but that is the definition. Perhaps you were thinking of an agnostic person.

Here are the definitions of the relevant words. I'll let you be the judge as to whether atheism is a religion or not.

Religious
Main Entry: 1re&#183;li&#183;gious
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French religieus, from Latin religiosus, from religio
1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

Spiritual
Main Entry: 1spir&#183;i&#183;tu&#183;al
Pronunciation: 'spir-i-ch&-w&l, -i-ch&l, -ich-w&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French & Late Latin; Middle French spirituel, from Late Latin spiritualis, from Latin, of breathing, of wind, from spiritus
1 : of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : INCORPOREAL <man's spiritual needs>
2 a : of or relating to sacred matters <spiritual songs> b : ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal <spiritual authority> <lords spiritual>
3 : concerned with religious values

Atheism
Main Entry: athe&#183;ism
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French ath&#233;isme, from ath&#233;e atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Atheist
Main Entry: athe&#183;ist
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist
Function: noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

"I'll let you be the judge as to whether atheism is a religion or not."

I never said atheism is a religion. You're blunt, but you misread my post.

Using dictionary definitions to define or specify a belief, or lack thereof, is like constructing a definition that would pertain to all of the specific beliefs of every Christian, Jew, Muslim, or theists and atheists. It can define the simplest of their principles, but it is not the utter determination of what an individual believes. Two minds rarely share exact, parrallel beliefs, and this doesn't just go for religion. I'm a theist; not a Christian, Jew, or anything of that sort, but just a theist according to my personal beliefs.

Sorry, you seem like a great debate, but I've been itching to get back to my Roman game since lunch break. So I'll link something that can probably better explain what I'm trying to say; as I, too, learned a few things from it (albeit they're kind of useless things).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

That is all I meant. Yeah, the article gets a little too analytical for my tastes, but it attempts to explain there are more to beliefs and, as some atheists say, "intellectual stances", than textbook definitions.


Edit: This thread is totally going off-topic.

 

[interwurm]

Really, if you are going for an atheist 'religion' it should be secular humanism. Secular humanism is more the belief in the supremacy of reason rather than the existence or non-existence of religion.

I would have liked to see something like that in the game. It's best modeled so far by the freedom of religion civic.

 

[Mylon]

As an atheist (the word doesn't get capitalized), let me say that it doesn't make sense to include it as a religion. The religions present in a city do not represent that everyone in the city follows that religion (as there's always room for another religion). There's always room for those that don't believe at all.

On the other hand, my mod adds inquisitor units which remove religion from a city. It's possible to set no state religion, theocracy, and use inquisitors to be like, say, China and actively stamp out all religion.

Secular humanism could work as a "religion", though temples/churches for Secular Humanism are fairly rare.

 

[William12123]

Isnt religfion just belief in something superior? Thus Ahteist would be believers In science, insted of a god

 

[lukedukekiwi]

Off topic a bit, but for a laugh id like to see scientology as a religion, maybe available once mass media is discovered

 

[rickmc]

Off topic a bit, but for a laugh id like to see scientology as a religion, maybe available once mass media is discovered

With tom cruise as the picture. It would almost be as funny as al gore being the internet. almost.

 

[Tahuti]

Atheists can be religious or spiritual. There is no one, single definition for atheism and its flock.

He is right, Buddhism is an Atheist religion... So Atheism can be spiritual.

 

[Grohan]

Atheism could be a religion civic but NOT a religion.

 

[Pbhead]

In my book Atheism is the belief in no God (as the existance or absents of a god cannot be proven by the scintific meathod) therefore it is the religion that there is no god

Therefore I think it should be a religin that spreads like wild fire, but doesnt have missonarrys or religious buildings and doesn't contribute to the + of free religion, nor would it have a shrine or holy city

The reason it was not added in the game is for this reason, IT WOUldN'T DO ANYTHING!!!

maybe you could have it increase military production to cause ww and cold war situtations

 

[Danielos]

I think an Atheist civilization would get very unpopular among it´s religious neighbors. I like the idea!