Attack Saddam and I'm a dead man

[rouli]

But since the "hetz" was an israeli-american "co-production", it has an english name, the arrow.<br />Oh, our country is well known for changing weapons' names, especially when it comes to fighter planes and helicopters <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .

<br />I live in tel-aviv, I should complain ever harder <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> . Anthrax is not a chemical weapon, it's a germ; Biological warfare was never proven to be succesful in modern ages. Chemical warfare is heavily dependent on the weather, and the winter is coming (at last). However, a lot of damage can be made by simple missiles if they hit the correct spot, and there are few of those in Israel <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .

 

[G-Man]

Winter?!? I don't think the people here understand what kind of a winter you're talking about. We have a drought for like 3 years. The kinerent looks like the sahara desert. Sharon said next year we won't be able to take anymore water from there, because the pumps can't reach the water...

<br />The kineret was where the sign is.

Anyway, UN inspectors found anthrax in Saddam's warehouses. And any attack, whether biological or chimical, will kill tens of thousands. Rain or wind can only help so much. And since we're such a small country an attack on Tel Aviv can go with the wind to Haifa, Jerusalem, Gaza or Cypros.

 

[rouli]

no it can't...chemical weapons are highly sensitive as has been proved in WWI: no wind and they can kill thousands, some wind and they loss their effectiveness, unless of course, they hit a drinking water body <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .

cheer up, it seems that next winter will be a rainy one (either that, or we are wasting our time fearing a war)

 

[G-Man]

It's not very comforting. Chemical weaponry has gone a long way since WWI. Also, if one of his missiles hits the kineret we're in a big problem. We'll need half the ships in the world to bring water from Turkey.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

...I'm not worried about crud scuds... <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

They'll never attack Bradford or Halifax!

 

[G-Man]

I don't like you...<br />Maybe we should give Saddam a few Jericho missiles. Then we'll see how you feel...

 

[starlifter]

<br />...<br />Anthrax is not a chemical weapon, it's a germ; Biological warfare was never proven to be succesful in modern ages. Chemical warfare is heavily dependent on the weather, and the winter is coming (at last). <br /> <hr></blockquote>

I've spent a lot of time in Chemical gear, and indeed, have been trained to fly in it too. In the Persian Gulf War, the heat of such gear was quite extreme. It is my hope that most people in Israel still have their civil CW gear.

It may be interesting to note that one of my Uncles (by marriage) is an American who is from Jordan, and was heavily involved in developing the new (in 1990) antidotes for certain CW attacks. At a time when only a very small quantity of the newer, more effective drug was developed, the USA decided to send it to Israel instead of our frontline troops. As one of those in the "frontline" carrying the standard issue Atropine Autoinjectors, I actaully agreed... since in my personal view the civilian population of Israel seemed in greater danger than our military from Saddam's use of CW.

At any rate, the most effective times to use Chemical Weapons is in a cool (or cold), dry climate with little or no wind. The most deadly places to be are in the low areas.

The desert heat will rapidly break up and dissapate CW attacks. Neverhtheless, a CW attack can be devastating under any circumstances. It's just that the use of CW in a desert environment is not the most effective use... an Urban environment can be much more deadly.

<br />...<br />Anthrax is not a chemical weapon, it's a germ; Biological warfare was never proven to be succesful in modern ages.<br />...<br /> <hr></blockquote>

Yes, Anthrax is an organism, but when deployed on a population, it is a weapon. I hope you realize that until September 11, 2001, it was "never proven to be successful in the modern ages" that passenger airliners could be used as human-guided missiles, either.

Bio warfare is a real and present danger, and if you study terrorism in any detail, you'll also realize that the groups funded by bin Laden have been increasing their scope and effect of their attacks, and they have nerver yet repeated their attack method.

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[G-Man]

Originally posted by starlifter:<br /><strong>

It may be interesting to note that one of my Uncles (by marriage) is an American who is from Jordan, and was heavily involved in developing the new (in 1990) antidotes for certain CW attacks. At a time when only a very small quantity of the newer, more effective drug was developed, the USA decided to send it to Israel instead of our frontline troops. As one of those in the "frontline" carrying the standard issue Atropine Autoinjectors, I actaully agreed... since in my personal view the civilian population of Israel seemed in greater danger than our military from Saddam's use of CW.<br /></strong><hr></blockquote>

He's from Jordan? During the gulf war Jordan was my favorite country. And why is that? because they saved my *ss from being attacked by Saddam. At the time, I lived in Eilat, not far from Jordan's only sea port, in Akaba. Saddam didn't want to hurt such an important place for Jordan, so he didn't fire a single scud on Eilat.

Oh, and I got a picture of the "hetz" (arrow) the missile that should save my *ss should Saddam decides I'm too nice to be left alive <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

 

[Ashoka]

Hey, G - whatsup!

<br />I have to agree - bad to be you if/when Sadam gets pulled into this. However, I would think this has also occured to the Israeli military. The US is NOT going to roll into Iraq without lots of consultation with your guys.

There is a Bioterorrism/Chemical Attack alert still in effect for the US (I received it at my job Tuesday about 1 hour after the attack - I work for a state health department that has a response team.) A number of us are preparing for a terrorist chemical/bio/nuke attack as a possibility no matter what happens. The people who did this will use whatever means they can get their hands on... I see little that indicates they have refrained from using bio/chem/nuke attacks due to issues of 'morality' or compassion. IF they get them, they will use them.

In Peace -<br />Ashoka

 

[TrailblazingScot]

G-Man I don't think you "got" my post...I was saying that it'd be like attacking one of their own cities to attack Halifax or Bradford...we have a very substantial Muslim/Asian population, so many of us joke about THAT!

As for Israel, don't give us it...you are occupying lands that aren't theirs and you don't expect them to fight in the only way they effectively can??? To remove a people from their lands will cause hate especially if their circumstances is so bad...To have voted in a **c*-head like Sharon you get what everyone expected!

<br />Zionist terrorists killed my grand-uncle (a serving British soldier) in the 1940s which does colour my regard for Israel...

[ September 18, 2001: Message edited by: kittenOFchaos ]</p>

 

[TrailblazingScot]

P.S Pakistan has nukes...if Israel did target Saddam with nukes then add to that spiral the fact that the Pakistani military would find it hard to reject the calls of their people to retaliate versus Israel...or merely slip a weapon to another Islamic country...

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos:<br /><strong>G-Man I don't think you "got" my post...I was saying that it'd be like attacking one of their own cities to attack Halifax or Bradford...we have a very substantial Muslim/Asian population, so many of us joke about THAT!

As for Israel, don't give us it...you are occupying lands that aren't theirs and you don't expect them to fight in the only way they effectively can??? To remove a people from their lands will cause hate especially if their circumstances is so bad...To have voted in a **c*-head like Sharon you get what everyone expected!<br /></strong><hr></blockquote>

First of all, Israel has a bery large muslim population - over 20%.<br />And about occupied territories - I don't see what it has to do with this topic... But anyway, this territories aren't occupied from the Palestinians - they were occupied from Jordan and Egypt after the six days war. The Palestinians say that entire Israel is theirs - As someone living in England you should know the british called our entire country "Palestine". The Fatah has agreed to build a country on the West bank and Gaza only, but the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terror group say that we should give them our entire country - And thats something we won't do. Just like the Ezte"l, Hagana and even the more extrimist Leh"i groups in the 40s wanted only Israel - not the entire British empire. Infact, during WWII these groups stopped fighting and joined the British army.<br />I'm sorry about your grand uncle, But my grand uncle was killed ny the Germans during WWII. That doesn't mean I hate Germany. And the Israelies weren't "terrorists" in todays terms - They attacked almost only military targets - Jails, generals, soldiers. We also stopped fighting when the UN gave us a country - unlike the Palestinians that continue fighting after getting a country, and after Barak promised them 95% of the west bank.<br />And about Sharon - I don't see whats so "**c*-head" about him. He is a democratically elected leader, and has the support of 65% of Israeli public. Israeli public expected him to fight terrorists more harshly - and we got it. So far he has reduced the number of terror attacks on Israelies by half. He has sttoped all shootings on Jerusalem.<br />I also want to say I really don't understand what you guys have with saying "occupied territories". Isn't the US built on Indian, British and Mexican territories, taken by war? Why when Israel is taking over an area it's got to be returned to it's original owners, while other countries don't? We returned areas to Egypt (twice) to Jordan, Syria and the Palestinians.<br />And about us should "expect them to fight in the only way they effectively can???" - Very well, then Israel will fight back in every way we can - What do you expect us to do when we can't go to malls, restaurants, movies, etc, without risking being blown to pieces? And you've got to remember that the Palestinians now have territories, so maybe we'll treat them like a foreign country - We'll attack them full force with the IDF. What do you expect us to do when their terror orgenizations shoot at Israeli main roads, kill people, and escape to the PA? When they shoot at us with mortars? So we'll just take over Gaza and the west bank again. Will that make you happy?

 

[woke25]

"We must either love eachother, or we must all die"

Can't we all just get along? <img src="icon9.gif" border="0">

[ September 18, 2001: Message edited by: woke23 ]</p>

 

[G-Man]

Sure we can. Both Arafat and Sharon announced today that they stop all actions <img src="graemlins/spinsmile.gif" border="0" alt="[Spin Smile]" /> <img src="graemlins/spinsmile.gif" border="0" alt="[Spin Smile]" /> <img src="graemlins/spinsmile.gif" border="0" alt="[Spin Smile]" /> <br />And everyone that said other countries shouldn't do anything about what's going on here - F*ck you. These announcments came only after representatives from 20 countries pressured Arafat to announce that he stops fighting. Soon after Israel announced the same.<br />And now we can all live in perfect harmony... <img src="graemlins/goodwork.gif" border="0" alt="[Good Job]" />

 

[woke25]

Originally posted by G-Man:<br /><strong>It's not very comforting. Chemical weaponry has gone a long way since WWI. Also, if one of his missiles hits the kineret we're in a big problem. We'll need half the ships in the world to bring water from Turkey.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Consequence, schmonsequence! If you fight, expect casualties.

 

[woke25]

Originally posted by G-Man:<br /><strong>Sure we can. Both Arafat and Sharon announced today that they stop all actions <img src="graemlins/spinsmile.gif" border="0" alt="[Spin Smile]" /> <img src="graemlins/spinsmile.gif" border="0" alt="[Spin Smile]" /> <img src="graemlins/spinsmile.gif" border="0" alt="[Spin Smile]" /> <br />And everyone that said other countries shouldn't do anything about what's going on here - F*ck you. These announcments came only after representatives from 20 countries pressured Arafat to announce that he stops fighting. Soon after Israel announced the same.<br />And now we can all live in perfect harmony... <img src="graemlins/goodwork.gif" border="0" alt="[Good Job]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

That is great news! Lets make a poll:

How long do you think this cease fire will stand?<br />-No longer then 30 minutes<br />-At least 2 hours<br />-Maybe 12 hours<br />-Forever (yeah right)

 

[G-Man]

I'm pretty sure I don't understand your position. Do you or do you not want peace? This is a major step forward, and you're just making it look idiotic! If international pressure will be strong enough, both sides won't attack.<br />And about "If you fight, expect casualties" - Israel last fought Iraq 35 years ago. And even if we do fight, I think using mass destruction weapons is horrible! Wha if Sharon will say to Arafat "If you fight, expect casualties" and nuke Gaza? Or maybe because they're Palestinians they're too important to be killed, but an Israeli like me should understand that we're a good target for mass killing? And when I say mass killing I don't mean the 800 mostly terrorists the Palestinians had. I mean millions of inocent civilians that suddenly can't breath and die a horribly long death. But I'm the bad Israeli, so it's OK to kill me.