Austrian UU's

[TopGun]

Bungus, the Tiroler Kaiserjaeger are from around 1870 to 1900.

 

[Mithadan]

Winter has convinced me to use a Hussar as my Austrian UU.

My Austrians will also have Sarmatian, Celtic, Dacian, Gothic, Magyar and Belgian units! Not sure if I'll give my Polish units to them or the Russians, tho...or the Germans!

 

[Rhye]

Hmm, considering the Habsburg Empire once included Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal (for a short time), most of the Caribbean and the Americas, several Islands in the Pacific, etc I would say they had more than that one peak time you mention

oh, right.

Well, I've always seen it as a Habsburg property. It was Spain+Austria, and I've always seen Charles V more spanish than austrian. His son Philip II was king of Spain iirc.
In fact, in my opinion the best choice for the Austrian leaderhead is Metternich!

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Österreich-Ungarn (still bares the hyphen tho looks different)

 

[Bungus]

@topgun: that's perfect then, just the time period I was looking for.

@Methadone: I like that sarmatian swordsman utahjazz made, I use it as a flavor but theres really already too many swordsman UU to make it one for the Austrians.

Would one of Bebro's rifleman units make an unright Kaiserjaeger? His Belgian and Italian infantry (brown and green, respectively, with matching hats) are the closest quaulity animations I can find.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

did i miss something?
there is already an Hussar unit in conquest....
Its for Austria, but you can only have 31 civs. So what you should do is take out Mesopotamia. Because Hitties and Sumaria are Mesopotamia civs ^ ^;;

 

[Bungus]

Yep, you missed something. The discussion was not only weather or not the Hussar belonged at all, but also I'm looking for more than one UU. And yes, though we weren't really talking about it, the hittites and sumaria are the most replacable civs (and you won't have to listen to citizens of either country complain about their importance).

 

[Yoda Power]

did i miss something?
there is already an Hussar unit in conquest....
Its for Austria, but you can only have 31 civs. So what you should do is take out Mesopotamia. Because Hitties and Sumaria are Mesopotamia civs ^ ^;;

Hittites are from anatolia, Babs and Sumeria are from mesopotamia

 

[ShiroKobbure]

I ment replace Babylonian with Austria, because there are 2 Mesopotamian civs. And Babylon is a city in those countries. sorry ^ ^;;

 

[TopGun]

I hope Bebro is reading this post...
Because maybe he would feel inclined to give us another one of his splendid riflemen units, clad in Tiroler Kaiserjäger uniform? Bebro, you out there?

 

[Steph]

If I remeber correctly Englad had a regiment of Hussars... and they still have them.. they Ride around in Tanks now, however.

Hussars became a Type of Cavalry (armed with a Sabre, if I remember correctly) and.. alot of European nations had them.

England had hussars only very late, during the Napoleonic wars. Before, they had only light dragoons, and then converted some into hussars

 

[onedreamer]

the Hussar is clearly a non- Austrian unit, by having been invented by the Magyar people. That is why I wouldn't give it to Austria: It is not Austrian at all!

Hussars have not been "invented" by anyone to begin with. They were light cavalry. Light Cavalry has been invented well before the birth of Hungary
Hungarians gave this name to their light cavalry in a certain time period of military history. Thanks to their light cavalry Hungary obtained important victories and the Hussars became so famous throughout Europe that the various nations called their light cavalry with this name. Find me one european nation that didn't enlist hussars in their army, just like dragoons. And believe me, those hussars were not speaking hungarian...
I wouldn't make hussars a civ specific unit, though if you really MUST consider them a UU (and I don't) it comes of course natural to give them to Hungary.

 

[Steph]

Find me one european nation that didn't enlist hussars in their army, just like dragoons. And believe me, those hussars were not speaking hungarian...

Great Britain until Napoleonic wars?
I'm not sure if Spain had hussars.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Yup, Spain didn't have any until the French introduced them- considering the French reorganised the Spanish army themselves I would say that Spain never had any.

Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, Kingdom of Italy ( be ashamed- be very ashamed!) didn't have any either ever - also, the first Austrian Hussar Regiments were named: Károlyi, Czungenberg, Dessewffy- all Hungarian down to even the regimental Chef de Cousine. In France the first Hussar Regiments were formed by Hungarian exiles under the lead of György Esterházy, and later under the lead of Baron Corneberg the King of France commanded as many companies to be put into service "according to how many Hungarian refugees will be available". Etc etc etc- I rest my case.

The fact that Hussars are light cavalry doesn't mean that all light cavalry equals "Hussars". The Hussar excelled by the tactics and equipment (special type of slashing saber- while dragoons would stab their opponents with theirs- and a pistol) which was UNIQUE as it meant you had a cavalry which would not only carry sabers or lances (as LIGHT cavarly used to in those days) but also deliver a certain ammount of firepower, without being too heavy as if they had carried muskets.

The name of the unit doesn't matter at all- the way they are equiped and used is the matter- and the only thing I said was that Austria didn't have any OWN Austrian (German) Hussars in its service because they are next door to Hungary and they rented them- so those which I- and everyone were talking about are indeed speaking Hungarian. Bene?

 

[Mithadan]

Austrian UU: Hungarian Mercenary Hussar.

Is that PC enough?

 

[onedreamer]

Kingdom of Italy was surely not a military power and sort of a joke to a nation. We're not talking of Kingdom of Italy here... also because it was born way after the introduction of Hussars, and even if, it had its regiment of hussars, "Ussari di Piacenza". I don't know about the other nations you mentioned and I won't go around investigating, but I'm sure you will find cavalry regiments named after Hussars anywhere in Europe, sooner or later in time. It's obvious that they were first called Hussars in Hungary, but they weren't unique to Hungary and like I said their name was adopted (in time... ) by all great powers of Europe. And AFAIK Dragoons are not considered light cavalry. Hussars were light cavalrymen armed with light firearm. Is this an invention ? It could be if at least those light firearms were invented by Hungary and unique in that nation. Or if Hussars was a name used only by Hungarians. But this is not the case. What I think and I'm trying to say is that considering Hussars a UU and even worse an invention would be the same as considering swordsmen a UU for the first Civ who ever adopted swords in their army for first. It's the same with Swiss Guards as UU for Netherlands. They were not the only ones to hire them.

 

[Steph]

Austrian UU: Hungarian Mercenary Hussar.

Is that PC enough?

Mercenary is to negative. Why not "Magyar Hussar fighting for a well earn retribution?"

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Austrian UU: Hungarian Mercenary Hussar.

Is that PC enough?

That is what it all comes to (a name change to either the civ or the unit in question)

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Mercenary is to negative. Why not "Magyar Hussar fighting for a well earn retribution?"

How bout "Original Hungarian Hussar - made out of real Magyars, Export Edit. produce of the EU"

 

[Mithadan]

Too funny.