Availability again (multiple choices poll)

[Burebista]

I am posting a new poll to determine the time interval with the highest availability.
I created a 12 options poll. It has a finer granularity and you can select up to 4 options.
Each option includes the time in GMT, EST and PST. For other time zones use common sense. If your time zone is GMT+x then add x to the time in GMT to get your local time. Or you can subtract x to get the GMT time starting from your local time.

Select up to 4 options from:

• 0-2 GMT = 19-21 EST = 16-18 PST
• 2-4 GMT = 21-23 EST = 18-20 PST
• 4-6 GMT = 23-1 EST = 20-22 PST
• 6-8 GMT = 1-3 EST = 22-0 PST
• 8-10 GMT = 3-5 EST = 0-2 PST
• 10-12 GMT = 5-7 EST = 2-4 PST
• 12-14 GMT = 7-9 EST = 4-6 PST
• 14-16 GMT = 9-11 EST = 6-8 PST
• 16-18 GMT = 11-13 EST = 8-10 PST
• 18-20 GMT = 13-15 EST = 10-12 PST
• 20-22 GMT = 15-17 EST = 12-14 PST
• 22-0 GMT = 17-19 EST = 14-16 PST

 

[Octavian X]

Thank you for a MUCH clearer poll.

 

[Plexus]

If 6 people have voted, why are there 23 options selected?

(3*6=18)

 

[Burebista]

never mind

 

[Plexus]

Oh right, 4... I see...

 

[Goonie]

Ok, I cannot use this poll. I have to submit all this info within a certain structure! Altough I appreciate the effort. I was going post the poll last night, but as Octavian knows, I was VERY sick.

PS. Octavian, sorry I left hastily yesterday, I had to puke.

 

[Burebista]

Hmm, what is the problem with this poll?
Nowhere on the UN thread at 1BC says that you must submit the time in some special format. While I appreciate the time you spent organizing things, you did not always grasp the correct message from there.
Using this histogram of availability, it is very easy to come up with an interval for high availability as well as with the green hours interval.
High availability: 23-7GMT
Green hours: 9-17GMT

These can be adjusted a little bit if you wish, the idea is that you have all the information necessary to determine the intervals.
There is no need for medium availability.

The game already started anyway, we do not have an email address and name for the president (instead of Mao it will be Fanatikou). A 4th thread on availability is absurd.
I hope you feel better today.

 

[Noldodan]

Originally posted by Burebista
The game already started anyway, we do not have an email address and name for the president (instead of Mao it will be Fanatikou).

huh? it started?

 

[Burebista]

Yes, I saw today that it started. I think two teams already played their moves.

This is the main forum for UN. Sort by "Latest" and the first 5-6 threads have all the info.

http://civ3dg.1bigcommunity.com/community.asp?id=10078&page=8&board=379&tPage=1&tThreads=28

We better elect the government.

 

[Fier Canadien]

God, we need to rush-build the government now!

If we are already late on the beginning of the game, imagine the chaos after.

 

[Burebista]

I think we need several great leaders to rush the entire government

 

[Goonie]

"The game already started anyway, we do not have an email address and name for the president (instead of Mao it will be Fanatikou). A 4th thread on availability is absurd.
I hope you feel better today."

Ok, I have already submitted our President name. They overlooked it and I fixed their error.

And I could not set up elections yesterday as I was sick.

 

[Cyc]

Quoting Burebista:
I think we need several great leaders to rush the entire government
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So which great leaders do we have to burn to rush the Government, anyways? J/K.

Goonie tried very hard to get the ball rolling on a lot of issues and this MSDG forum was very sluggish in its response. He had to try several different methods of getting simple info for the game, and even this wasn't that successfull. Although this is a very well written post, I have never like multiple choice polls, and as Plexus had said, there are already too many answers for the amount of people voting. If we have started the game without having all the propoer information posted in the UN, it is everyones problem. A new poll isn't going to help, especially one with a hundred answers as a result. Let's discuss what needs to be done and work it out quickly.

 

[Burebista]

Cyc, I would not have posted a poll with 12 options the night before the game started if there was a valid poll already. The first poll was flawed because it had some fixed intervals. And none of those three intervals was suitable for somebody leaving in North, Central or South America.
The fact that people voted the worst option is not Goonie's fault as I think anybody should be able to convert time. It is another story that he did not know either how to convert.
To come up now after the game started with the same poll as before, with the only improvement that people learned to convert time, I do not think it is an option you should defend.
I agree with you that this forum was sluggish. I did not see you posting very often here though. I do not even have PTW so I will not candidate for any position. I read the UN forums and I think everybody should have read them. Goonie just did not keep our forum up to date with what is posted there. And this is what he wanted to do. When donsig posted in the UN some useful info and defended Goonie once, Goonie said only he should post in the UN as he is the team captain. That will be fine if he does his job.

He organized other things and he did ok. But a few times he brought the wrong message in our forum. I will not enumerate here. I am not complaining of him in general, only where he sustained the wrong thing. I have the right to speak my opinion.
You or Goonie do not consider this a personal attack, I do not know any of you and I do not like flame wars. He wanted to be the leader. Well, he is. But our team lags behind all the other teams. It was a general lack of interest for the multi site demogame in our forums. But I think this game can be very interesting.

This poll can be considered closed. It was not started today. I agree with you that a new poll cannot help, but I would say one with bogus intervals. I do not see how your argument can stand vis-a-vis of this poll. If you like playing at 4am, please say so and we should use the old poll.
My point in the earlier post was that we should poll for government positions not the availability again.

Cheers.

 

[Goonie]

Excuse me, who do you think you are?

"Goonie just did not keep our forum up to date with what is posted there. And this is what he wanted to do. When donsig posted in the UN some useful info and defended Goonie once, Goonie said only he should post in the UN as he is the team captain."

I didn't keep us up to date? WTH! I brang everything of RELEVANCE to this forum everynight! The ONE time donsig(God bless his banned soul) brought the info over, I was at SCHOOL! The info which he brought here was posted during school hours! I cant help it if Im not at my computer for the whole day!

". But a few times he brought the wrong message in our forum. I will not enumerate here. "

Please do! What wrong message? When? Where?

"You or Goonie do not consider this a personal attack"

I do consider this personal!

"would not have posted a poll with 12 options the night before the game started if there was a valid poll already. "

I had submitted our time values according to the first poll. And when you corrected everyone, I was going to post a new poll and wound up puking that night away instead.

"To come up now after the game started with the same poll as before, with the only improvement that people learned to convert time, I do not think it is an option you should defend."

Why not defend this option? I am submitting it in the standard and easiest form. This is the way the times were submitted.

"But our team lags behind all the other teams."

First of all, we started late, second of all we also lag due to the people here as well. I cant make people give me their info.

Why didn't you volunteer for this job?

 

[Cyc]

Burebista, the fact remains that Goonie attempted to collect the necessary information to present for the game and was met with closed doors. How long have most of the people in this forum been dealing with GMT. It's not that difficult. If you're on the East coast you subtract 5 hours using Military time. If your on the West coast you subtract 8 hours. Military time and GMT are not rocket science. I'm sure Goonie understands the concept. Basically, if you want to play the game you learn the parameters used in the standard format.

Because only donsig was the only one that really put any effort into helping Goonie, this whole informational process has gringed down to a halt. True the information on how the game is actually played could have been discussed more, in a wider and deeper sense, but everyone just kept shining it on like they knew what was going on. The information is the Un site was very sketchy also. The way I read it (and I did read it), some of the people posting there from other sites didn't know what was going on.

And the fact that the people here voted for the worst possible time is not Goonie's fault. It'd typical of the way the games around here are played. Most people are either lead like sheep or blunder through like a bull in the proverbial china shop. Heven forbid we should stop and read the rules. That might make us legit.

I noticed yo have 21 posts. Did you come from another game site? Are you brand new to this stuff? What are you basing your opinions on? And as a matter of fact, in regards to your above statement, I have been posting in the threads that seek a response for posting in the UN. I have also tried to voice my opinion in all the question threads that I felt were appropriate. You should have seen all my posts if you have been doing much reading.

BTW, I do not take this as a personal attack, but i don't like to see new players get slammed after they have work hard to get things done.

 

[Burebista]

@Cyc:
never mind

 

[Burebista]

@Goonie:
Originally posted by Goonie
Excuse me, who do you think you are?
I am a member of this team Goonie.

I didn't keep us up to date? WTH! I brang everything of RELEVANCE to this forum everynight! The ONE time donsig(God bless his banned soul) brought the info over, I was at SCHOOL! The info which he brought here was posted during school hours! I cant help it if Im not at my computer for the whole day!
If you cannot handle the job, you should ask for help or allow somebody to post there. You took this position as you own the place. It is not about a few hours delay, it is about 3 days.

For example, this is donsig's post at UN on February 4th:
"Donsig: What's up with this idea. OUr little sub-forum at CFC has little info on whatare team should be doing now. here is this game being hosted and what is the procedure and deadlines for picking civs and game parameters?
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Reply there:The game as far as im aware isnt being 'hosted' anywhere, every site has its own forums and the game will just be passed from team to team. If people decide a central forum is needed them its not a problem arranging one. Deadlines for picking your shortlist of favoured civs is this Thursday and we looking to start playing on Sunday 16th. Sorry if this seems like short notice but there have been people from CFC coming here from the start of discussions, I cannot understand why they have not been passing this stuff on to you guys."

And I must add that donsig was right in what he said.

". But a few times he brought the wrong message in our forum. I will not enumerate here. "

Please do! What wrong message? When? Where?
About time format:
The French team: 15:00->23:00GMT : high availability
The Geramn team said: "The German team is GMT+1 that means we have problems between 11pm and 6am GMT+0"
CGN said: "Monday - Friday: 6:00PM – 6:00 AM GMT, 1:00 PM – 1:00 AM EST"
I can continue, but the idea is there was no fixed format. I hope discussion is closed on this topic.

Then you did not understand how the turn times are. You kept repeating for about a week that each team has one day to play, while people at UN were telling you 24-30 hours for a full turn.

You did not mention in our forum that the game is scheduled to start on February 18th. And the names, times, email were supposed to be in a few days before. That we are late it is not only your fault, people were not very active here. But you should have posted the information here. And when you poll you should try to make it easy for somebody to select, not to wonder: do I select option 1 or 2 when in fact I can play at the end of interval 1 and beginning of 2.

I do consider this personal!

I cannot help you then.

I had submitted our time values according to the first poll. And when you corrected everyone, I was going to post a new poll and wound up puking that night away instead.
I already said it was not your fault that the poll went wrong. Everything started from your special format for the time. And I am not happy that you are sick.

Why not defend this option? I am submitting it in the standard and easiest form. This is the way the times were submitted.
This is false. I did not think that you will submit that entire histogram. You use the poll to determine the interval. I wrote it several posts above.

First of all, we started late, second of all we also lag due to the people here as well. I cant make people give me their info.
I must agree with you here. We started OK, but we slowed down on the way.

Why didn't you volunteer for this job?
Because I am not fit for this job. I know what time I have and what I can do.

I say it again. It is not an attack on you Goonie. Just try to listen to what other people have to say, they might be right.

I will not continue in this topic, unless you specifically ask me for something.

Edit: I removed an opened tag that was not closed.

 

[Goonie]

"You kept repeating for about a week that each team has one day to play, while people at UN were telling you 24-30 hours for a full turn."

Everyone but I already knew the system from an old game. I had to ask TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON! I asked is it 24 hours for a turn? It took them a week to explain the system to me. Then I posted a link to that explanation here.

"I can continue, but the idea is there was no fixed format. I hope discussion is closed on this topic."

First off all, that is ONE mistake. I am sorry. I honestly believed that it had to be in a certain format.

Lastly, I dont have time to finish reading your ridiculous post.

 

[eyrei]

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