Barbarian research

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Are all barbarians on the same team?

Do they conduct research themselves and share it between cities? It seems like they keep up in tech rather well with the other civs. I'm mostly talking about the terra map where barbs are left alone long enough to have rifleman. Do they have rifleman because the other civs do and the game keeps them competitive, or did they actually move through the tech tree?

I've seen some barb cities spawn warriors while others are building axeman. Is this because the research and/or resources are not shared between cities?

 

[pholkhero]

research is shared as they are one team, the Barbarians (i think), but it IS dependent on resources...though, as in the New World, if two barb cities were connected they should share resources

 

[Crighton]

yeah that was my question in another thread, What's the highest level of Unit you've seen for the Barbs?

I've had a few guys get ambushed by a Knigh or two but that was pretty rare.

 

[jimbob27]

I'm pretty sure they don't get beyond riflemen. I've had games where barb cities have survived for centurys after they had riflemen... and they never progressed onto infantry.

 

[Black Waltz]

Longbowmen were the most dificult for me. On a huge, low sea level continents map, India was unlucky enough to start on a large island on their own. When I discovered the Indian's island I noticed that the Barbian's held the Hindu holy city... I kind of knew something was wrong then. Anyway, they developed fairly far. Although their Longbowmen were no match for my infantry.

 

[JerichoHill]

They can progress beyond infantry, as the barbarian nation does research together. However, they basically need to be a) Raging
b) new World
c) Left the **** alone
d) game is won by time
e) difficulty is high

they gain tech once civs get to a certain tech point, they get all the tech below a certain tech point...as civs advance they advance, but typically one age behind.

 

[balthamael]

Jericho is barb expert . I think soemone should set up a game, and use WB to put spies in barb cities, see how they develop and similar.

 

[jimbob27]

They can progress beyond infantry, as the barbarian nation does research together. However, they basically need to be a) Raging
b) new World
c) Left the **** alone
d) game is won by time
e) difficulty is high

they gain tech once civs get to a certain tech point, they get all the tech below a certain tech point...as civs advance they advance, but typically one age behind.

Don't the have certain tech's blocked to them?

It'd make sence why I've never seen them with infantry. If riflemen is the last automatic upgrade they get.... then it's gonna take the barb's absolutely forever to research the expensive tech's needed to progress further.

 

[Older than Dirt]

Does anyone have any documentation that barbarians actually do "research." I have the impression that the level units which they produce and the buildings they make are geared to what the most advanced civ is doing or is related to time, or both.

 

[Pantastic]

Play the "Realism" 18 civ huge earth map on emperor and you'll see the barbs hit longbowmen before anyone else gets medieval, I'm actually worried about how tough they'll end up.

 

[Blazer6]

I have seen barbarian cities found religions and appear with more advanced units that could kill all of the AI (except for that bonus) in some of my games.
I noticed barbarians do not have a definite strategy for research since they seem to get random technologies when they could found several religions with their early advantage had they focused.

 

[JerichoHill]

Yes, I do have proof that they research. But you can set up this experiment too.

All you have to do is start a new world map and put a spy on the barb continent...give the barbs lots of workers, settlers, and units.

When you put your spy on their city, you can view their city screen. You will see that they are researching a tech in that screen.

And I meant riflemen, not infantry.

The experiment I did was Diety level, 2 civ's, 3 continents...civ 1 was on a small island. I had a small continent (I gave myself settlers, workers et al). The barbs had the hyuge continent. I gave them 20 settlers, 20 workes, and a ton of units.

You don't want to know how that game ended. I saw advanced barbs. I tried to gain a foothold...stack killed me. So I didnt bother.

They win.

 

[VincentThe88]

Play the "Realism" 18 civ huge earth map on emperor and you'll see the barbs hit longbowmen before anyone else gets medieval, I'm actually worried about how tough they'll end up.

Ha, I've played the Realism mod, and the barbs are tough! I had one time where I was Japan and they had conquered all of Africa, and a huge chunk of central eurasia area. In all, I think they eliminated the Egyptians, Malinese, Arabians, Persians, Mongols, and Russians, besides keeping all of Europe in check. Meanwhile I conquered east Asia and gained a tech advantage and fought a massive war against the barb 'empire'. *shakes head* they were a force to be reckoned with.

Yes, I do have proof that they research. But you can set up this experiment too.

All you have to do is start a new world map and put a spy on the barb continent...give the barbs lots of workers, settlers, and units.

When you put your spy on their city, you can view their city screen. You will see that they are researching a tech in that screen.

And I meant riflemen, not infantry.

The experiment I did was Diety level, 2 civ's, 3 continents...civ 1 was on a small island. I had a small continent (I gave myself settlers, workers et al). The barbs had the hyuge continent. I gave them 20 settlers, 20 workes, and a ton of units.

You don't want to know how that game ended. I saw advanced barbs. I tried to gain a foothold...stack killed me. So I didnt bother.

They win.

Wow. I'm going to have to give that a shot. I've always been curious what the barbs are really up to out there. I've noticed that when left to their own resources they'll colonize a continent, and it'll take a concentrated effort to get a foothold. I'll send three galleons loaded with some of my best city defenders and 1 settler to found a city and just focus on holding it. I think within twenty turns they'd destroyed half of them and I needed to shuttle another load of troops just to hold the city.

Give them an initial advantage like that and I'm scared to know what happens... But not too scared to give it a shot!

 

[Lone Wolf]

Don't the have certain tech's blocked to them?

It'd make sence why I've never seen them with infantry. If riflemen is the last automatic upgrade they get.... then it's gonna take the barb's absolutely forever to research the expensive tech's needed to progress further.

I think they are not forbidden to discover any tech... i had seen their cities have Modern Cities graphics. Certain units (including units beyond Riflemen) and certain buildings are just blocked to them. Not techs, through.

 

[bonafide11]

Well, I've seen Barb cities where their workers build cottages instead of farms next to rivers. If they don't conduct research, why would they build and work cottages? Just for me to wait until the cottages become towns and then take their cities?

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

I think the Barbs can do the usual kind of things; fill the cities with buildings, build units to protect themselves and menace the civilized world, hook up resources with their workers, etc.; but they can't do things like found religions, build world wonders, generate great people, and (of course) can't build units more advanced than riflemen.

 

[bonafide11]

Next game I play I'm going to play a new world continent and put a spy on the Barbs just to watch them because I've always been curious about them. But I don't think I'm going to do all the other things you mentioned, 2 civs, 3 continents, diety, giving them 20 settlers, etc, thats too much for me. I just want to see how they operate if left to themselves

Yes, I do have proof that they research. But you can set up this experiment too.

All you have to do is start a new world map and put a spy on the barb continent...give the barbs lots of workers, settlers, and units.

When you put your spy on their city, you can view their city screen. You will see that they are researching a tech in that screen.

And I meant riflemen, not infantry.

The experiment I did was Diety level, 2 civ's, 3 continents...civ 1 was on a small island. I had a small continent (I gave myself settlers, workers et al). The barbs had the hyuge continent. I gave them 20 settlers, 20 workes, and a ton of units.

You don't want to know how that game ended. I saw advanced barbs. I tried to gain a foothold...stack killed me. So I didnt bother.

They win.

 

[Quintillus]

I think the Barbs can do the usual kind of things; fill the cities with buildings, build units to protect themselves and menace the civilized world, hook up resources with their workers, etc.; but they can't do things like found religions, build world wonders, generate great people, and (of course) can't build units more advanced than riflemen.

I'm pretty sure the barbarians built the Pyramids in one of my games.

 

[Slaughter]

I think BTS should include INSANE BARBARIANS as a option on the game. I think that Barbarians invading people like that is very, very realistic.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Looking in the Vanilla XML files, the only wonders barbarians can build are the Pyramids and the Stonehedge.