For citadel I'd say you can often get stone, at least temporarily, at that point in the game, and that you don't have to build them in every city. There's also lots of goodies (trade route, espionage, culture, defense) that help it pay off. I suppose I also think castles are quit underrated in general. Economics is a low priority tech not needed til infantry, so PRO's bonus there shouldn't be such an afterthought. Would definitely be more welcomed on a PRO leader instead of Izzy though.Odeon only gets 1 additional happy face over a regular Colosseum. Not sure that warrants it being that high.
I considered Citadels but they replace Castles which are expensive at 100 hammers and also obsolete very early with Economics. And like you said Conqs are a much better path that as Spanish I'll often not even end up building Citadels. With a different civ I think they would be better.
Yeh we had that one discussion that I'm too lazy to find right now. Anyway I think there are more -focused alternatives to building forges everywhere. Failgold or directly building wealth and just growing to get more out of GA being the most obvious ones. My main point is just that always building a forge in every city is not a good play.@sampsa Forges are a way to push hammers forward, which makes it worthwhile during a hammer lull compared to just building wealth. I think you might play in that lull less often than I do if you're keen on upgrading large numbers of HAs. That's my working theory as to why we're universes apart on forges. Generally I'm not going GMs unless PHI or GLh.
Not sure I’d say that. Ziggurats cost as much as Libraries. They’re only 25% cheaper than a courthouse, whereas ORG trait shaves off 50%. So the ORG trait saves more.Sumeria's courthouse is cheaper to begin with. ORG is a bit overkill there.
u know, i was liking this too. I often come back and think about things like this.I like the sacrificial altar. Keeps down maintenance while allowing lots of whipping.
Less maintenance means you can afford larger armies and the whip timer means you can produce them. Good synergy.