Beta 11
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Worked. but i wonder why loading mod doesn't shows me the map. Thanks very mych sir.Morholt
Prince
3Miro
Deity
Good reference.
At any rate, I don't want to see Crusades against Byzantine Jerusalem, so offensive Crusades against Orthodox nations are still out of the picture.
I may allow defensive ones (which is still a type of local aggression similar to the events in your reference).
Morholt
Prince
Since the map is being changed for next version, I propose some changes to the Maghreb:
Morocco is changed a lot, mountains and rivers are more accurate and Marrakesh is in a historical place. Mostly highland.
The Tell Atlas is separated from the Saharan Atlas mountains, and the Chelif river has been redrawn.
Not pictured: lots of woodlands that were in the desert for some reason removed. Mejerda river lengthened into the Aures mountains.
A WBS with the modifications based on the latest SVN is attached for convenience.
Morocco is changed a lot, mountains and rivers are more accurate and Marrakesh is in a historical place. Mostly highland.
The Tell Atlas is separated from the Saharan Atlas mountains, and the Chelif river has been redrawn.
Not pictured: lots of woodlands that were in the desert for some reason removed. Mejerda river lengthened into the Aures mountains.
A WBS with the modifications based on the latest SVN is attached for convenience.
AbsintheRed
Deity
AbsintheRed
Deity
I was wondering, shouldn't we disable wild animals in the mod?
It's most disturbing (at least for me) how could they attack or destroy a bunch of soldiers, or even a few hundred workers/settlers...
It's not very accurate even in the ancient era of vanilla civ (4000 - 2000 BC), but in a mod which start in 500 AD is totally ridiculous.
My opinion is to get rid of them, maybe put some weak barbarians to uninhabited regions to replace them
The other thing I plan to do, to move Pressburg Castle to an earlier tech. It would be better regarding both it's history, and the bonuses it gives ingame.
If there are no objections, I will move it to Siege Engines
It's most disturbing (at least for me) how could they attack or destroy a bunch of soldiers, or even a few hundred workers/settlers...
It's not very accurate even in the ancient era of vanilla civ (4000 - 2000 BC), but in a mod which start in 500 AD is totally ridiculous.
My opinion is to get rid of them, maybe put some weak barbarians to uninhabited regions to replace them
The other thing I plan to do, to move Pressburg Castle to an earlier tech. It would be better regarding both it's history, and the bonuses it gives ingame.
If there are no objections, I will move it to Siege Engines
Kartoffelvampir
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Edit: whoops, wrong thread. this post can be deleted
Michael Vick
#1
I agree on removing the wild animals. I also like the Maghreb changes, maybe some more fish in the Agadir area? Also what about a source of elephant in that area? Elephants in that are of Africa were hunted to extinction in the timeframe of the mod but there was once an ivory trade there.
I meant to ask if it was possible to code region specific UUs? Like if England conquered Scotland and then could build a special highlander unit (But only in cities in the Scotland
region)? They would basically be like extra UUs for each civ but with a few differences. There would be a limit on how many you could build (like missionary limit) in order to avoid ignoring the original unit that it replaces. My intention is to see, say, a united Great Britain field a stack of 10 line infantry and 2 Highlanders. The highlanders would have a rough terrain combat bonus or something, making them slightly superior to ordinary line infantry, but only a few can built.
More examples:
France comes into possession of Switzerland, now France can recruit swiss pikemen (They made up the bulk of their army up until the 17th century). Or maybe a single Swiss Guard unit, that receives an enormous bonus for city defense?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_pikemen
Spain comes into possession of Wallonia (Southern Belgium, or anywhere in Belgium for the purposes of this mod). Now Spain can raise Walloon infantry in Brussels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloon_Guards
Austria comes into possession of Hungary. Now Austria can train Hungarian Huszars or tall, slightly stronger Hungarian Grenadiers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Hussar#The_hussars_of_medieval_Hungary
Ottomans get a new default UU, the Sipahi, replacing the knight or armored lancer. The Ottomans will still have the Janissary as a unique unit, but they must be recruited from conquered Christian populations in the Balkans as in real life, not from Anatolia.
Or the Sipahis could be scratched, Janissaries reincorporated, and Mameluke calvary units made available in Egypt? Or Sipahis, Janissaries, AND Mamelukes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipahi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary
Russia will undergo a similar change, the Streltsy replacing the musketman, and Cossacks needing to be recruited from the territory of Kievan Rus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streltsy
Those are just a few of the arrangements that could be possible. If this could be coded and enough people support the idea, I'm sure there are enough history buffs sitting in the countries I haven't mentioned with examples that would suit other civs.
I meant to ask if it was possible to code region specific UUs? Like if England conquered Scotland and then could build a special highlander unit (But only in cities in the Scotland
region)? They would basically be like extra UUs for each civ but with a few differences. There would be a limit on how many you could build (like missionary limit) in order to avoid ignoring the original unit that it replaces. My intention is to see, say, a united Great Britain field a stack of 10 line infantry and 2 Highlanders. The highlanders would have a rough terrain combat bonus or something, making them slightly superior to ordinary line infantry, but only a few can built.
More examples:
France comes into possession of Switzerland, now France can recruit swiss pikemen (They made up the bulk of their army up until the 17th century). Or maybe a single Swiss Guard unit, that receives an enormous bonus for city defense?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_pikemen
Spain comes into possession of Wallonia (Southern Belgium, or anywhere in Belgium for the purposes of this mod). Now Spain can raise Walloon infantry in Brussels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloon_Guards
Austria comes into possession of Hungary. Now Austria can train Hungarian Huszars or tall, slightly stronger Hungarian Grenadiers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Hussar#The_hussars_of_medieval_Hungary
Ottomans get a new default UU, the Sipahi, replacing the knight or armored lancer. The Ottomans will still have the Janissary as a unique unit, but they must be recruited from conquered Christian populations in the Balkans as in real life, not from Anatolia.
Or the Sipahis could be scratched, Janissaries reincorporated, and Mameluke calvary units made available in Egypt? Or Sipahis, Janissaries, AND Mamelukes?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipahi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary
Russia will undergo a similar change, the Streltsy replacing the musketman, and Cossacks needing to be recruited from the territory of Kievan Rus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streltsy
Those are just a few of the arrangements that could be possible. If this could be coded and enough people support the idea, I'm sure there are enough history buffs sitting in the countries I haven't mentioned with examples that would suit other civs.
I think it could relativly easy be done in the way you build your vassals UU. You build a normal unit and upon creation it is replaced with a special UU if the requirements are met. But adding all the units requires alot of work on its own. New graphics, xml, balancing..
Nevertheless i like your idea.
Nevertheless i like your idea.
Science Rules
Prince
Edead used the mercenary system to implement a similar system.
Michael Vick
#1
I considered the balancing issues when I posted this, I mean for these "conditional UUs" to have very little effect on gameplay. They'd just provide some flavor, a fresh looking uniform to add variety and historicity. It adds another element to conquering territory because you have to do it to fully experience your civ.
Here is your highlander.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=14480
Your Swiss Pikeman
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=359003
Nobody has made an actual Spanish "Walloon Guard" unit, but this Dutch Infantry man comes close..
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=12801
I also like the blue coat with bear skin cap in this picture.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/nap units 2_03K.jpg
Hungarian Hussar
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=15308
Very good looking strelets and cossacks
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/piccossacksunits1_Dz2.jpg
Mamluks
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=15641
Sipahi
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=14894
AbsintheRed
Deity
3Miro, I did some minor testing with the Viking points. Somehow the counter wasn't working perfectly when pillaging. Didn't add points after a while...
Also, pillaging roads and own improvements shouldn't give Viking points
Also, pillaging roads and own improvements shouldn't give Viking points
AbsintheRed
Deity
Another thing I noticed when browsing the python files:
In the RFCEBalance.py there is no entry for Portugal in the AI modifiers (gc.setCityClusterAI, gc.setCityWarDistanceAI)
Can I just add them, or these are handled in the dll as well?
In the RFCEBalance.py there is no entry for Portugal in the AI modifiers (gc.setCityClusterAI, gc.setCityWarDistanceAI)
Can I just add them, or these are handled in the dll as well?
3Miro
Deity
@AbsintheRed: Portugal was a bug. If no value is defines in RFCEBalance, then a default value is assigned (2, 3, 1), which are probably not optimal.
I will check the Viking thing, it is possible that you have to enter/leave a city for the Viking point counter to reset. Also, I don't know if I can make it distinguish between improvements types.
I will check the Viking thing, it is possible that you have to enter/leave a city for the Viking point counter to reset. Also, I don't know if I can make it distinguish between improvements types.
AbsintheRed
Deity
On Portugal:
I set (1, 2, 1) for now, it's not bad if they are a little clustered
On the Viking points, it refreshed for a while on every new turn, but later no points were added when pillaging.
We should definitely come up with something to prevent that own improvements count, it's easily exploitable...
3Miro
Deity
Did you pillage something Byzantine or something outside anyone's cultural borders?
AbsintheRed
Deity
I tested it outside cultural borders
Will run another couple of tests on these Viking points, after I commited my recent changes to the svn
Btw, I tried to change the austrian starting archers to arbalestiers in the riseandfall.py, but the game crashes. Where else should I set these?
Will run another couple of tests on these Viking points, after I commited my recent changes to the svn
Btw, I tried to change the austrian starting archers to arbalestiers in the riseandfall.py, but the game crashes. Where else should I set these?
3Miro
Deity
riseandfall.py is the right place. Did you place the right xml.iArbalest entry?
I am uploading some changes now, I hope there is no conflict.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Hm, if these are only handled there, then it must have been a typo...
Don't worry, I will merge in your changes, then upload mine after I sorted these arbalests out
Don't worry, I will merge in your changes, then upload mine after I sorted these arbalests out
