AbsintheRed
Deity
Swedish 2nd and 3rd UHV updated (added Lithuania to the 2nd, 10 cities on 2 more provinces for the 3rd)
I'm not sure what is wrong with the tracking feature yet...
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Swedish 2nd and 3rd UHV updated (added Lithuania to the 2nd, 10 cities on 2 more provinces for the 3rd)
I'm not sure what is wrong with the tracking feature yet...
Cosmos1985
King
Very minor thing, but shouldn't the Shrine of Uppsala require Amber instead of Gems, now that the Norse had their Gems made Amber instead?
Yeah, pretty sure I brought this up
AbsintheRed
Deity
Good call
Now I changed that the Shrine of Uppsala has double production with Amber
Cosmos1985
King
In that case I didn't notice it CivKing, I haven't played RFC:E that much so a lot of new threads to read 
Nice, ty - it seems like a strange effect it has though, given that Uppsala actually is completely landlocked, but I guess we are too far in the process of this mod, to change wonder effects.
Nice, ty - it seems like a strange effect it has though, given that Uppsala actually is completely landlocked, but I guess we are too far in the process of this mod, to change wonder effects.
AbsintheRed
Deity
If you come up with a better name, we can rename it
But actually I really like to have a coastal wonder with these effects in the game
Cosmos1985
King
Agreed, but maybe it should not require a pagan temple and be available to more civs instead - and given a flavour name fitting to a civ who has some maritime production, or some kind of well known building where the sea production seems more intuitive.
The Uppsala effect could maybe be something more closer related to paganism, and giving a Viking Player an incentive to stay pagan longer, that would go well with it I'd think. Free Pagan Temples in all cities, how about that? Or some bonus effect for Pagan Temples?
(Spread rate of Orthodoxy in Scandinavia should really be lowered by the way
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Maybe something like "pagan temple in all cities and +1 free specialist in all cities as long as there is no state religion".
About the +1 hammer effect, what about the kizil kule that has this effect in SoI ? It's Ottoman so it fits in the mod.
About the +1 hammer effect, what about the kizil kule that has this effect in SoI ? It's Ottoman so it fits in the mod.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Yeah, you are both right.
The current effects of Shire of Uppsala are very strange, but both the wonder and the effect is a great flavor to have.
If we want to keep both the effect, and the Shrine, then we should have 2 separate wonders...
I just don't really want to add another wonder in the RFCE, we already have more than other mods.
Let's hear some other opinions on this
The current effects of Shire of Uppsala are very strange, but both the wonder and the effect is a great flavor to have.
If we want to keep both the effect, and the Shrine, then we should have 2 separate wonders...
I just don't really want to add another wonder in the RFCE, we already have more than other mods.
Let's hear some other opinions on this
Michael Vick
#1
You couldn't add an extra side effect to the Shrine of Uppsala that goes away with state religion while keeping the current effect?
If you allow another Scandinavian wonder, it will open the floodgates to people clamoring for their own preferred wonders and cause distractions. Not a good idea so late in the mod. That being said, Torre del Oro, anybody?
merijn_v1
Black Belt
I also think we shouldn't add more wonders. But we can replace the Shrine of Upsalla. Then we keep the same amount of wonders.
AbsintheRed
Deity
I gave some more thought to this:
- Right now it's kind of annoying to have the Shrine of Uppsala with these effects
- The wonder should definitely be in the mod, as this is the only wonder tied to paganism
- The effects should definitely be in the game, it adds great flavor (and it's already in, so no work with it at all)
This leaves us with wo options:
- Just live with having the Shrine of Uppsala as a coastal wonder with strange effects (for a pagan shrine at least)
- Or add one last wonder in RFCE.
The second has two advantages over the first:
- If we add another wonder, Uppsala's bonuses could be directly pro-pagan, which would be great for the Norse and maybe for Lithuania.
- We can start a fun poll, what should the other wonder be
- Right now it's kind of annoying to have the Shrine of Uppsala with these effects
- The wonder should definitely be in the mod, as this is the only wonder tied to paganism
- The effects should definitely be in the game, it adds great flavor (and it's already in, so no work with it at all)
This leaves us with wo options:
- Just live with having the Shrine of Uppsala as a coastal wonder with strange effects (for a pagan shrine at least)
- Or add one last wonder in RFCE.
The second has two advantages over the first:
- If we add another wonder, Uppsala's bonuses could be directly pro-pagan, which would be great for the Norse and maybe for Lithuania.
- We can start a fun poll, what should the other wonder be
merijn_v1
Black Belt
I vote for a new bonus for the Shrine of Upsalla and a new wonder for the 
on water tiles bonus.
For the wonder we could use (as someone suggested earlier) the Kizil Kule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kızıl_Kule. It fits nicely in our timeperiod.
An other wonder could be a special Lighthouse or something. (A Medieval version of the Great Lighthouse would be nice) I don't know if there is such a building in Europe that we could use as a wonder.
Or (just brainstorming): The harbor of Amsterdam. Although I think it comes too late then.
on water tiles bonus.For the wonder we could use (as someone suggested earlier) the Kizil Kule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kızıl_Kule. It fits nicely in our timeperiod.
An other wonder could be a special Lighthouse or something. (A Medieval version of the Great Lighthouse would be nice) I don't know if there is such a building in Europe that we could use as a wonder.
Or (just brainstorming): The harbor of Amsterdam. Although I think it comes too late then.
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Michael Vick
#1
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torre_del_Oro
Spain only has one wonder, two if you count the voyage as a Spanish wonder. How are we going to get art for any of these wonders though? These lighthouse wonders and the Torre del Oro could the Spiral minaret, I guess.
Spain only has one wonder, two if you count the voyage as a Spanish wonder. How are we going to get art for any of these wonders though? These lighthouse wonders and the Torre del Oro could the Spiral minaret, I guess.
AbsintheRed
Deity
From these 3, my vote goes for the Faro di Genova / Lanterna
It's more closely attached to the ocean than the other two, so the bonuses would be best here.
Also, currently we have no wonders tied to Genoa.
It's more closely attached to the ocean than the other two, so the bonuses would be best here.
Also, currently we have no wonders tied to Genoa.
rock_star
Warlord
Definitely leave the effect in the game. It actually made Brest a useful city for me for much of my game as France. If you need a Scandinavian wonder in the game that makes more sense to induce such an effect, maybe just change the wonder's name and art? The Jelling Stones or Jelling Stone Ship could allow us to keep the wonder's effect while making sense and not adding another wonder to the game. These "wonders" still exist and are well understood, while the Temple of Uppsala is not.
(To quote wikipedia: The stones represent the transitional period between the indigenous Norse paganism and the process of Christianization in Denmark. They are strongly identified with the creation of Denmark as a nation state.)
(To quote wikipedia: The stones represent the transitional period between the indigenous Norse paganism and the process of Christianization in Denmark. They are strongly identified with the creation of Denmark as a nation state.)
rock_star
Warlord
