Beyond The Sword
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vranasm
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interesting...i have 0 problems with this and play the SG's in windowed because I write the reports in parallel...
you don't even need to press alt+prntscrn...just prntscrn and the picture is made
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
Well, to be fair, that yellow spot was always a long-shot. My main concern now is, are we boxed in unless we break out through Alex or the barb city? Did we check Asoka's land? Is he shut in on the West?
No big deal. Yellow dot is a city that won't provide much in a long time while eating up a lot of resources (all the jungle to clean...). I'd say we settle pink spot and carry on as planned. Straight to IW, then build a few vultures and get green dot.
edit: x-post with Smilingrogue. With pink and green spot, as well as 3-4 cities up north we have more than enough to get us trough the early-to-midgame
edit: x-post with Smilingrogue. With pink and green spot, as well as 3-4 cities up north we have more than enough to get us trough the early-to-midgame
t80
Okay, so we DO have iron
luckily it's also in our borders! I think I'll stop my turnset now since I seem to be a jinx 
Edit: We can OB with Asoka and Monty, however, I left those closed since we don't have sailing and Asoka is Alex's worst enemy!
Okay, so we DO have iron
luckily it's also in our borders! I think I'll stop my turnset now since I seem to be a jinx Edit: We can OB with Asoka and Monty, however, I left those closed since we don't have sailing and Asoka is Alex's worst enemy!
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
I think we will be declared upon by Alex regardless. Good news is we have Iron. And I hope that empty PH we started with is Uranium then. 
Am I up now? What is the plan for the settler out of Uruk? Send him North? We will probably have to split the two Clam there between two cities now that Asoka stole our crab.
Mine that Iron, get a few Vultures built and keep teching towards Alpha?
Am I up now? What is the plan for the settler out of Uruk? Send him North? We will probably have to split the two Clam there between two cities now that Asoka stole our crab.
Mine that Iron, get a few Vultures built and keep teching towards Alpha?
Well I'm not too happy with our worker and warrior movement. We have 2 warriors in Uruk and Eridu each. We have zero warriors in Kish and Lagash. We want to settle the northern coast but we still can't dotmap properly because the warriors that could've scouted those last foggy tiles are hanging around in our cities.
The workers have still the same problem, they're all far too close together to be really useful. Lagash's borders expanded last turn so it was founded 6 turns ago? (can't tell from the report) but still nobody is working on the pigs. We knew in advance when the tile would need improvement, as it was in the inner ring but still we have (for example) one worker building a 4th cottage in Uruk while we're only working 2 out of the 3 we already have. Then there's Eridu; we have had Masonry for ages but still have not hooked up marble. At 1/3/2 it's a decent tile. However we're working 2 unimproved tiles instead.
Enough with the rant, let's carry on. Priority is hooking up iron. Really sucks how 2 cities are done with their items in 1t while Iron won't be ready this fast. I suggest that 2-3 workers are sent towards iron instantly, including the one the is building the useless cottage. Until the iron is hooked up (and Kish connected to our TR), Kish and Eridu can build rax, probably 2pop-whip them into vultures.
I don't think we should build more settlers/workers now. With better distribution we have the workers we need and we can't afford 3 more cities. The settler that is done in 2t should settle 1N of iron on the northern coast.
Lagash: Once Pigs are improved, we should whip it heavily. IMO 1st item after granary should be a WB, maybe 2 to start scouting in both directions. We'll be able to use those WBs up north anyway. Library is no priority in lagash as it has zero commerce for now.
Nobody has picked a WE yet, there's no harm in opening any borders yet (though no rush to do so either).
I wonder how Alex got 6 cities. We see 3, know of 2 more (east/west of cows down south) but that still leaves 1.
We're close to seeing Asoka's research.
I always assumed we'd build vultures for the barb city, and nobody disagreed. Vultures: 6 str, +25% vs melee, 35h. Swords: 6str, +10% vs cities, 40h. The melee bonus won't help us capture the barb city. I'd still go with vults as they're cheaper and will be more useful against the AI civs.
The workers have still the same problem, they're all far too close together to be really useful. Lagash's borders expanded last turn so it was founded 6 turns ago? (can't tell from the report) but still nobody is working on the pigs. We knew in advance when the tile would need improvement, as it was in the inner ring but still we have (for example) one worker building a 4th cottage in Uruk while we're only working 2 out of the 3 we already have. Then there's Eridu; we have had Masonry for ages but still have not hooked up marble. At 1/3/2 it's a decent tile. However we're working 2 unimproved tiles instead.
Enough with the rant, let's carry on. Priority is hooking up iron. Really sucks how 2 cities are done with their items in 1t while Iron won't be ready this fast. I suggest that 2-3 workers are sent towards iron instantly, including the one the is building the useless cottage. Until the iron is hooked up (and Kish connected to our TR), Kish and Eridu can build rax, probably 2pop-whip them into vultures.
I don't think we should build more settlers/workers now. With better distribution we have the workers we need and we can't afford 3 more cities. The settler that is done in 2t should settle 1N of iron on the northern coast.
Lagash: Once Pigs are improved, we should whip it heavily. IMO 1st item after granary should be a WB, maybe 2 to start scouting in both directions. We'll be able to use those WBs up north anyway. Library is no priority in lagash as it has zero commerce for now.
Nobody has picked a WE yet, there's no harm in opening any borders yet (though no rush to do so either).
I wonder how Alex got 6 cities. We see 3, know of 2 more (east/west of cows down south) but that still leaves 1.
We're close to seeing Asoka's research.
I always assumed we'd build vultures for the barb city, and nobody disagreed. Vultures: 6 str, +25% vs melee, 35h. Swords: 6str, +10% vs cities, 40h. The melee bonus won't help us capture the barb city. I'd still go with vults as they're cheaper and will be more useful against the AI civs.
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
Pre-Play-Plan:
Road to connect Kish and Uruk. Eridu's worker will quarry the marble and road to Uruk. Uruk's worker finishes the cottage and will mine and connect Iron to cap. Worker in new city will pasture its pigs. Will swap into Slavery once Uruk's settler is finished. It takes us three turns to finish Writing, three turns to build wealth, one turn lost to anarchy slavery. Will bank gold and finish teching writing. All cities will be allowed to get to happy cap with capital and other sites with commerce getting libraries after writing (will overflow from worker whips if necessary) and other cities building warriors and vultures after Iron is on-line.
The question is where does the new settler go?
I suggest splitting the one city planned North East into two now that Asoka stole our Crab this way:
Revent sugested settling the Pig city to help cap's cottages.
I think we should open borders with both Monty and Asoka. I am resigned to getting attacked by Alexander. (Seriously, has anyone ever seen an AI attack another AI that is its worst enemy when it can attack the player right next door?) Do I swap and suffer another turn of Anarchy if Buddhism spreads to us? I will refuse any religion that might spread to us from Asoka. (Assuming he gets one)
Needs for my turnset:
Get to writing, get TRs with AIs for extra commerce, get Iron up ASAP and workers. Definitely more workers.
Edit : Bah! This is what happens when I take an hour to type up a plan. X-post with mystyfly.
Road to connect Kish and Uruk. Eridu's worker will quarry the marble and road to Uruk. Uruk's worker finishes the cottage and will mine and connect Iron to cap. Worker in new city will pasture its pigs. Will swap into Slavery once Uruk's settler is finished. It takes us three turns to finish Writing, three turns to build wealth, one turn lost to anarchy slavery. Will bank gold and finish teching writing. All cities will be allowed to get to happy cap with capital and other sites with commerce getting libraries after writing (will overflow from worker whips if necessary) and other cities building warriors and vultures after Iron is on-line.
The question is where does the new settler go?
I suggest splitting the one city planned North East into two now that Asoka stole our Crab this way:
Spoiler :
Revent sugested settling the Pig city to help cap's cottages.
I think we should open borders with both Monty and Asoka. I am resigned to getting attacked by Alexander. (Seriously, has anyone ever seen an AI attack another AI that is its worst enemy when it can attack the player right next door?
) Do I swap and suffer another turn of Anarchy if Buddhism spreads to us? I will refuse any religion that might spread to us from Asoka. (Assuming he gets one)Needs for my turnset:
Get to writing, get TRs with AIs for extra commerce, get Iron up ASAP and workers. Definitely more workers.
Edit : Bah! This is what happens when I take an hour to type up a plan. X-post with mystyfly.
I think vults are priority, build 1-2 in Uruk, Kish and Eridu. But only after they finish their rax, Uruk is the only one with rax currently. Make sure to put research to zero once writing is in, until uruk's (and eridu's) libraries are done. I don't think we really need more workers atm, let's build vults and then infra instead. Workers are the prevent-growth-build. It's not only about how many workers we have, it's about how we use them. We have about 1 per city IIRC, which is ok.Smilingrogue said:
I'm ok with opening borders with everyone. We should try and get landbased TR to our 2 neighbors though.
Deffo switch to buddhism if someone asks (unlikely). If it just spreads, switch whenever convenient.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking things through properly I guess. I think I got used to the rigour in SGOTM so when it came to this, I got a bit lazy
Anyway, worker outlines will be more detailed from me in next turnset so I do apologise for my sub optimal play.
I do agree with Vultures as well. They will be pretty good for the barb city. We will need quite a few though since it's a hill city.
Anyway, worker outlines will be more detailed from me in next turnset so I do apologise for my sub optimal play.
I do agree with Vultures as well. They will be pretty good for the barb city. We will need quite a few though since it's a hill city.
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
What about the settler that's out in two turns? Where to settle?
One of the northeastern spots. I'd go N of iron, you suggested E of iron IIRC, I'm fine with either. I think I city/food resource is best. We'll want many cities = many zigs and other spy buildings as well as easy draftles.
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
OK, we seem to have agreed on N of Iron. The plan:
- Connect all cities to trade networks.
- Open borders with all the AIs to start gaining that diplo boost. (If an AI demands to stop trading with some one, I will tell it to get lost as we need the trade and the spy missions are cheaper if we have open borders.)
- Hook up Iron, build Rax and a few Vultures to take that Barb city.
- Swap into Slavery after the settler is out.
- Continue deficit research towards Writing.
- Build Libraries in cities with commerce and granaries in any cities that need them.
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
Houston, we have a problem!
First, here's what I did.
I opened borders with Asoka and Monty. When Uruk's settler was done, I sent him to 1 N of the Iron and swapped into Slavery. I queued a worker in Uruk as I had literally nothing else to build. Walls didn't make sense, warrior was going to be redundant as I was getting Iron hooked up shortly. I figured a worker made sense to stall till Iron.
Turn 85 - Ur is founded.
Had to play with the slider, but we got to Writing on schedule.
Turn 86 - We have writing. I set research to Alphabet and turn the slider down to 0%. Open borders with Alexander. I also notice he is willing to go to war with Asoka.
I finish exploring the fog and reveal a fish up North:
I leave that warrior there to stop barb cities from spawning. (They can still spawn if the tile's in fog, right?)
Turn 88 - I whip library in Eridu for two pop and max overflow:
The OF will finish barracks in one turn and this city is ready to pump Vultures. We can chop the Spice tile to speed it up. Or, we can one pop whip a Vulture to OF into a second one instantly.
Kish is actually perfectly suited to pump Vultures but it's not connected to cap and thus, Iron.
I currently have it stalling building a worker. I have three workers working on fixing the Iron supply problem right now. It should be ready to pump Vultures in two turns. We can chop a bunch of them here and I recommend doing so as Alex has Spears milling about the Barb city.
Worker turns were spent Mining and roading Iron, building the Marble Quarry and I have one guy tasked to chopping the Library in Uruk. As soon Kish is connected, one will be re-tasked to Ur (newly settled Northern city) to connect that and hook up Iron, another will see if we can road to Alex while the one that built the quarry will road into Asoka.
Now for the big news:
Asoka lands Confucianism and adopts it.
It has spread to Kish, but I turned it down.
But now Asoka is in war mode.
I am afraid he is going to hit us. He hates Alex and vice-versa. But our power rating is pathetic and we are on his borders. He went into war-prep just this turn, we have Iron and should be able to chop/whip out a nice Vulture army in a hurry. But if he does attack us, we might end up being dog-piled by Alex too.
First, here's what I did.
I opened borders with Asoka and Monty. When Uruk's settler was done, I sent him to 1 N of the Iron and swapped into Slavery. I queued a worker in Uruk as I had literally nothing else to build. Walls didn't make sense, warrior was going to be redundant as I was getting Iron hooked up shortly. I figured a worker made sense to stall till Iron.
Turn 85 - Ur is founded.
Spoiler :
Had to play with the slider, but we got to Writing on schedule.
Turn 86 - We have writing. I set research to Alphabet and turn the slider down to 0%. Open borders with Alexander. I also notice he is willing to go to war with Asoka.
Spoiler :
I finish exploring the fog and reveal a fish up North:
Spoiler :
I leave that warrior there to stop barb cities from spawning. (They can still spawn if the tile's in fog, right?)
Turn 88 - I whip library in Eridu for two pop and max overflow:
Spoiler :
The OF will finish barracks in one turn and this city is ready to pump Vultures. We can chop the Spice tile to speed it up. Or, we can one pop whip a Vulture to OF into a second one instantly.
Kish is actually perfectly suited to pump Vultures but it's not connected to cap and thus, Iron.
Spoiler :
I currently have it stalling building a worker. I have three workers working on fixing the Iron supply problem right now. It should be ready to pump Vultures in two turns. We can chop a bunch of them here and I recommend doing so as Alex has Spears milling about the Barb city.
Worker turns were spent Mining and roading Iron, building the Marble Quarry and I have one guy tasked to chopping the Library in Uruk. As soon Kish is connected, one will be re-tasked to Ur (newly settled Northern city) to connect that and hook up Iron, another will see if we can road to Alex while the one that built the quarry will road into Asoka.
Now for the big news:
Asoka lands Confucianism and adopts it.
Spoiler :
It has spread to Kish, but I turned it down.
Spoiler :
But now Asoka is in war mode.
Spoiler :
I am afraid he is going to hit us. He hates Alex and vice-versa. But our power rating is pathetic and we are on his borders. He went into war-prep just this turn, we have Iron and should be able to chop/whip out a nice Vulture army in a hurry. But if he does attack us, we might end up being dog-piled by Alex too.
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