Biggest disappointment with Warlords

[Gwil]

Well, the forums were urging me to post -

Hello Gwil, it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks. Why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution, or participate in a discussion in any one of our forums?

so it is time to bring up my big disappointment with Warlords. What is it? What else could it be but losing the "Baba Yetu" music. I do like the new theme, makes me feel vaguely Celtic again BUT the original tune was best.

Discuss.

 

[drkodos]

Only because you asked for it.


Baba Yetu is a cliche. It is the musical equivalent of government cheese, corned beef on white bread with mayo, or a wedding reception at the local YMCA. Even Yanni thinks it is shallow.

What Hootie and The Blowfish are to high powered rock and roll, Baba Yetu is to good music. At best, it feels like the cuttings and splicings from an aborted Dinosaur//Lion King mash-up.


I have more respect for Pat Boone's cover of Tutti Frutti than I have for Chritopher Tin (ear) and his gentrificationist version of Swahili music.




Oh, discuss?

I thought you said disgust.

 

[Gwil]

Sarcasm threads can be found elsewhere!

It's catchy - so kill me!

 

[enchanter100]

I also miss that opening music.. How do we get it back?

 

[drkodos]

It's catchy - so kill me!

So is Cholera, and your terminus phrase works with it just as well.


I was not being sarcastic. That music is an afront to any decent musician and their ears, living or dead.

 

[armathas]

Only because you asked for it.


Baba Yetu is a cliche. It is the musical equivalent of government cheese, corned beef on white bread with mayo, or a wedding reception at the local YMCA. Even Yanni thinks it is shallow.

What Hootie and The Blowfish are to high powered rock and roll, Baba Yetu is to good music. At best, it feels like the cuttings and splicings from an aborted Dinosaur//Lion King mash-up.


I have more respect for Pat Boone's cover of Tutti Frutti than I have for Chritopher Tin (ear) and his gentrificationist version of Swahili music.




Oh, discuss?

I thought you said disgust.

I have to agree whole heartedly. While it may be "catchy", so is elevator music..nuff said..

 

[Gwil]

Killjoys! Elitist tastes in music surely defeat the very idea of music in the first place? Music should trigger emotions in people, a response, a recognition within the psyche that it is enjoyable. While I myself will draw the line at euro dance/crazy frog rubbish etc, I am not averse to trying any genre.

if the tune was so bad, why has it been acclaimed across the industry, by scores of fans and communities? Please do not come back on me by saying "i listen to band x/y/z" or "i like Musoband 101" - it shows complete ignorance and lack of understanding on your part entirely! Also, as i'm inciting a flame war, i'll highlight the fact that my post originally was tongue in cheek as a response to the automated "hey, you haven't posted!", but I was incensed by silliness on the part of your good selves.

Now go and stand in the corner, pronto!

 

[wioneo]

I hated that music, but then again I hate any music that the Americans try to make sound "African." No offense.

GO BRONCOS!!!

 

[Gwil]

Corner kthxbye!

 

[Underdawg]

Killjoys! Elitist tastes in music surely defeat the very idea of music in the first place? Music should trigger emotions in people, a response, a recognition within the psyche that it is enjoyable. While I myself will draw the line at euro dance/crazy frog rubbish etc, I am not averse to trying any genre.

if the tune was so bad, why has it been acclaimed across the industry, by scores of fans and communities? Please do not come back on me by saying "i listen to band x/y/z" or "i like Musoband 101" - it shows complete ignorance and lack of understanding on your part entirely! Also, as i'm inciting a flame war, i'll highlight the fact that my post originally was tongue in cheek as a response to the automated "hey, you haven't posted!", but I was incensed by silliness on the part of your good selves.

Now go and stand in the corner, pronto!

Right on. 10 Chars.

 

[Tristan daCunha]

I recently played a game of the unexpanded Civ4, after playing Warlords since its release. And I enjoyed hearing the original theme: its optimistic and lively.

I'm not sure where folks got the idea that it was supposed to be an African influenced song. Okay, the lyrics are in Swahili but the tune isn't even close to being world music.

 

[Panda]

One of the first things I did after my first Civ4 session was replacing 'Baba Yetu' with some grade A thrash metal.

It's catchy - so kill me!

So is Cholera, and your terminus phrase works with it just as well.

Priceless!

 

[automator]

I hate any music that the Americans try to make sound "African."

Even Talking Heads? Blasphemy!

 

[General Failure]

Musical taste is of course as different as your choice of wallpaper, your breakfast cereal, your "greatests movie ever". Of course everyone is free to either hate or love or be indifferent to the musical theme of CIV or CIV Warlords.
Personally, I enjoyed "Baba Yetu". I thought it was uplifting and inspirational, even before I knew where the lyrics came from. But like I said...that's just my taste.

Interesting though that you mentioned the Lion King, drkodos. Not that I own it or anything, but at first I thought the store clerk had put the wrong DVD in the box.

General Failure

 

[aelf]

I thought Baba Yetu had a Discovery Channel feel to it Seems apt for a game called "Civilization", although of course the real meaning of the words are quite irrelevant.

I don't like the Warlords music as much because it's such a macho war cheese. Aal Nada is a nice tune, but making it sound like it's sung by a band of the most bloodthirsty Mongolian raiders is like putting too much gore in a horror movie. Been done too many times before.

 

[Anunikoba]

I'm a musician and I like it. Gwil likes it. Others don't like it. So in the words of Emperor Joseph II: "Well, there it is."

 

[SpartanEvolved]

I love Baba Yetu. When I first heard it after booting up Civ 4, I knew the game would rock. I heard that music, and I just felt at peace with the world.

Also, though I like Warlords menu music, Baba Yetu puts me into a mood for building a civilization.

 

[mintyfreshdeath]

I thought Enya was the hottest thing out until I heard 'Baba Yetu'.. no, *really*

 

[bovinespy]

I'm a musician and I like it. Gwil likes it. Others don't like it. So in the words of Emperor Joseph II: "Well, there it is."

I'm also a musician and I don't like it. It's OK, I guess, but I like the Warlords music much better. It really gets me in the mood to do some damage...

 

[Evie]

It may be interesting to do a poll comparing how builders feel about Baba Yetu and the new one, and how warmongers feel about it, among players. Baba Yetu would likely be more inspirational to builders, and the new one - a very warlike, agressive song - to warmongers.

Baba Yetu is no bloodthirsty battle song, but it certainly is inspirational - it carries volume about human history, starting simply and adding more instruments as it go along. And that's all one could ask of it.

And cliché is possibly one of the world's most over-used terms. Not to mention that some clichés are clichés for good reasons.

Originality is good. But if nobody likes your original creation except a handful of intelectual elitists and snobs, you won't get far in life.