Bone histology indicates insular dwarfism in a new Late jurassic sauropod dinosaur

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First of all, sorry for bombarding y'all with such a long and scientific title :p
A new 'Letter to nature' is out on a teriffic dinosaur find from Germany. Short version: Honey, I shrunk the dinosaurs:lol:


full text access here (for those lucky ones who have it): full

and here's the link to the 'news' article on the find:
http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060605/full/060605-8.html

Tiny dino discovered
German fossil was a dwarf version of the largest dinosaurs.

Michael Hopkin


Dinosaur researcher Nils Knötschke holds up his reconstruction of the creature's skull.
© Dinopark Munchehagen
Sauropod dinosaurs were the biggest animals ever to walk the earth. But palaeontologists in Germany seem to have dug up the runt of the litter.

The new species, Europasaurus holgeri, measured barely more than 6 metres from snout to tail. In comparison, its more famous relative Diplodocus grew to a mighty 27 metres.

Researchers led by Martin Sander of the University of Bonn unearthed the remains of at least 10 individual dinosaurs at a quarry near Hannover in northern Germany. They unveil the find in this week's Nature1.

Many sauropods were huge, with long necks that allowed them to graze over a tremendous area. When they found the bones, Sander's team thought that they were from juvenile dinosaurs. But examination revealed that the bones had a structure like those of adult dinosaurs, and that in the largest dinosaur, which measured 6.2 metres, the bones were fully developed.

The area where the bones were found would have been largely flooded when the dinosaurs lived there, around 150 million years ago, the researchers add. Food might have been scarce on the islands the dinosaurs lived on, favouring the evolution of smaller reptiles.

Similar, more recent, examples of such island dwarfing have been seen on the Indonesian island of Flores, which until a few thousand years ago was home to species such as dwarf elephants and Homo floresiensis, a tiny human.



Although big by human standards, adult and young E. holgeri (both pictured) were positively pet-sized in relation to other sauropods.
© Octavio Mateus, Museu da Lourinha
Evolutionists think that dwarf species are more likely to evolve on islands because populations there tend to be smaller and genetically isolated, meaning that species can rapidly become specialized.

"The little dinosaurs must have lived on one of the large islands around the Lower Saxony basin," Sander and his team write. "This suggests that it is an island dwarf species that evolved through a decrease in growth rate from its larger ancestor."

a short quote from the paper by Sander, Mateus, Laven & Knötschke:
Palaeogeography8 suggests insular dwarfing as the explanation for
the diminutive body size of Europasaurus. The largest palaeo-islands
surrounding the locality in the Lower Saxony basin had areas of
,200,000 km2 (calculated from ref. 8). Such islands would not have
been able to support large-bodied sauropods. The ancestor of
Europasaurus would have dwarfed rapidly on immigrating to the
island, or as a response to shrinking land masses caused by rising sea
levels.


Europasaurus_holgeri.jpg
 
Good thread!

Incredible to see the small-scale Europasaurus!
Shows us that creatures do adapt to surrounding stimulae.

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CurtSibling said:
Good thread!

Incredible to see the small-scale Europasaurus!
Shows us that creatures do adapt to surrounding stimulae.

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hehe, and now we sit and wait for the creationism-supporters to come and spread uninformed blubbering nonsense to discredit the research :lol:

btw, good to see you, Curt!
 
Good to see you too, Carlos!

I am always mystified why the creationists can reject dinos when the bones
are quite obviously on display in any major museum. Humans are mucho bizarre.

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carlosMM said:
another pic that illlustrates the size a bit better:
060605-8a.jpg

Although big by human standards, adult and young E. holgeri (both pictured) were positively pet-sized in relation to other sauropods.

Once we figure out how to clone them I wonder if they would make good pets?

The first company to do so could sell them as a novelty item and make truckloads of money. :cool:

I wonder if the church would decide to allow its members to own one? A pet dino would be a form of live, walking evidence that evolution is real.
 
Sahkuhnder said:
Once we figure out how to clone them I wonder if they would make good pets?

The first company to do so could sell them as a novelty item and make truckloads of money. :cool:

'Indeed, Mr. Hammond! But only until chaos theory strikes!'
'Oh Mr. Malcom, you are always so pessimistic!'
 
Can I ask what "insular dwarfism" means?
 
Wikipedia said:
Insular dwarfism is the process and condition of the reduction in size of large animals when their gene pool is limited to a very small environment, primarily islands. Insula is Latin for "island".

This effect has manifested itself many times throughout natural history, including with dinosaurs and modern animals like elephants.

There are several proposed explanations for the mechanism which produces such dwarfism, which are often considered likely to be co-contributing factors, including an evolved gene-encoded response to environmental stress, as well as a realtime selective process where only the smaller of the animals trapped on the island survive, as food declines to a borderline level. The smaller animals need fewer resources, and so are more likely to get past the break-point where population decline allows food sources to replenish enough for the survivors to flourish.

Basically a minituarized form of a large animal.
 
I saw these babies yesterday, and yes, they're cool. :cool:

Weight estimates of extinct animals are notoriously tricky, but simple scaling models suggest weights of around half a tonne for adults. Not exacly an indoors pet ...
 
No, but imagine riding around on them instead of horses. Or using raptors like dogs... o.0
 
dino.jpg

This is clearly a very large black man carrying a stick of mint rock. God's creation is bountiful indeed. Praise the Lord. It proves nothing except that as the bible said 'in those days there were giants'. It also shows that Noah could have got the dinosaurs on the ark.

Am I fooling anyone with my creationist masqerade? :D
 
It looks more like a brachiosaurus instead of a diplodocus, but i thought its mammals that ar supposed to become "minaturized", when placed in a small habitat, reptiles are supposed to become supersized when placed on small isalnd, example: the galapagos tortoise and komodo dragons.
 
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