BOTM 29 Final Spoiler
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Next time, just take a turn of anarchy the moment you get Liberalism.Could have won sooner if I had remembered to switch to Free Speech in my first golden age.
Htadus
A and L's dad
She was huge in my game too. But she slowly lost cities to my culture. A total of 6 Cities.
Will and Hatty faught in my game too. The new lands were full of good Barb cities and AI were just settling. So no colonies either.
In my game, I ended with 24 cites in my culture game and did some silly mistakes like drafting units without wars during golden ages when I should be running FS. I did keep up with teching even with 100% culture from late 13th century.
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jesusin contender. Goal: fastest cultural victory. Result: 1485AD cultural victory
First spoiler highlights: I killed Asoka, sent my WB exploring far away without having found the gems and the gold's fish, never prioritized Sailing, went bankrupt, took 66 turns to get Alpha and to be able to trade for Sailing.
By 500AD I have 11 cities (very capable of popping a couple of GAs each), 325 sustainable bpt, 4 religions, 29 religious infections, Parthenon, Colossus, 13 temples and no cathedrals. I whip 6 people to make sure I'll get Sistine's next turn.
Ignored the 4 seafood city in the North, too late to be of use.
Pure cultural abilities were needed from there on. But I am so rusty!
- I had thought all that time that the hoses city would be Legendary. It had not so many cottages and not so many hammers... so I decided to change to Delhi. Little food and hammers there too, but zillions of cottages and forests.
- I had thought the capital was the best place for NE. I built it there... and never hired an artist till the endgame, the capital was too busy with Hermitage, cathedrals, etc that it always worked mines or was severely whipped.
- The scientist I hired in my bankrupt period came back to hunt me and gave me a second GS, that I used in a GAge for 4 revolutions and later a third that was useless.
Liberalism 760AD for Nationalism, immediate revolt to religion, castes, pacifism and FS, bribe every AI to my religion or to FR. I started with 900cpt and 236GPPpt (global).
Hermitage in capital (well done), TajMaj in auxiliary city cause the 3 Legendaries were too busy with cathedrals. 5 turns of slavery+OR during the GAge. I settled my first GA (mistake).
By 1000AD I have all temples built, 1300cpt, 500GPPpt while in GAge, 10 cathedrals.
By 1200AD I've popped 8GP, 1700cpt, 385GPPpt, all 12 cathedrals built. AP elections are held. I don't want neither Hatty now HC to be the resident, so I abstain. Next turn I realize HC could have been the resident instead of Hatty if he had voted for himself, which he didn't. This is not normal AI behaviour, is it?... Errrr, I am HC!!!!!!!
I really prefer my leader being called jesusin
Flip 5 cities. Another GS is born, puaj. I realize I have so many cities going for another GA that not all of them will get it in time. Leave the one without 100% probability for last, change the slowest ones to merchants to be able to keep 100% culture all game.
All cities become Legendary with a 1 turn difference.
Doing 1000, 750 and 750 cpt each in the end. multipliers 5, 4, 4. 15GP, 3 GS (Academy, GAge and nothing) and 12 GA (settled 0, 1, 0; bombed 2, 4, 5).
I was so slow into Pacifism that having so many extra cities, all with 2 food resources, didn't translate into a great number of GPs.
What I have learned:
* Exploring not far away but your surroundings is key.
* Given the difference between culture in the 3 cities just after Liberalism (900cpt) and in the end (2500cpt), I think now that cathedrals building date is much more important than Liberalism date.
It's been nice playing for culture again, I had forgotten how much more I enjoy a cultural game than any other type of game.
First spoiler highlights: I killed Asoka, sent my WB exploring far away without having found the gems and the gold's fish, never prioritized Sailing, went bankrupt, took 66 turns to get Alpha and to be able to trade for Sailing.
By 500AD I have 11 cities (very capable of popping a couple of GAs each), 325 sustainable bpt, 4 religions, 29 religious infections, Parthenon, Colossus, 13 temples and no cathedrals. I whip 6 people to make sure I'll get Sistine's next turn.
Ignored the 4 seafood city in the North, too late to be of use.
Pure cultural abilities were needed from there on. But I am so rusty!
- I had thought all that time that the hoses city would be Legendary. It had not so many cottages and not so many hammers... so I decided to change to Delhi. Little food and hammers there too, but zillions of cottages and forests.
- I had thought the capital was the best place for NE. I built it there... and never hired an artist till the endgame, the capital was too busy with Hermitage, cathedrals, etc that it always worked mines or was severely whipped.
- The scientist I hired in my bankrupt period came back to hunt me and gave me a second GS, that I used in a GAge for 4 revolutions and later a third that was useless.
Liberalism 760AD for Nationalism, immediate revolt to religion, castes, pacifism and FS, bribe every AI to my religion or to FR. I started with 900cpt and 236GPPpt (global).
Hermitage in capital (well done), TajMaj in auxiliary city cause the 3 Legendaries were too busy with cathedrals. 5 turns of slavery+OR during the GAge. I settled my first GA (mistake).
By 1000AD I have all temples built, 1300cpt, 500GPPpt while in GAge, 10 cathedrals.
By 1200AD I've popped 8GP, 1700cpt, 385GPPpt, all 12 cathedrals built. AP elections are held. I don't want neither Hatty now HC to be the resident, so I abstain. Next turn I realize HC could have been the resident instead of Hatty if he had voted for himself, which he didn't. This is not normal AI behaviour, is it?... Errrr, I am HC!!!!!!!
I really prefer my leader being called jesusinFlip 5 cities. Another GS is born, puaj. I realize I have so many cities going for another GA that not all of them will get it in time. Leave the one without 100% probability for last, change the slowest ones to merchants to be able to keep 100% culture all game.
All cities become Legendary with a 1 turn difference.
Doing 1000, 750 and 750 cpt each in the end. multipliers 5, 4, 4. 15GP, 3 GS (Academy, GAge and nothing) and 12 GA (settled 0, 1, 0; bombed 2, 4, 5).
I was so slow into Pacifism that having so many extra cities, all with 2 food resources, didn't translate into a great number of GPs.
What I have learned:
* Exploring not far away but your surroundings is key.
* Given the difference between culture in the 3 cities just after Liberalism (900cpt) and in the end (2500cpt), I think now that cathedrals building date is much more important than Liberalism date.
It's been nice playing for culture again, I had forgotten how much more I enjoy a cultural game than any other type of game.
AP elections are held. I don't want neither Hatty now HC to be the resident, so I abstain. Next turn I realize HC could have been the resident instead of Hatty if he had voted for himself, which he didn't. This is not normal AI behaviour, is it?... Errrr, I am HC!!!!!!!
Glad I'm not the only one who (is willing to admit they) did that.
We got to liberalism around the same time but you beat my date by centuries. What I learned from you:
- Plan ahead for victory condition (I didn't decide on culture until the turn I took liberalism and only had one or two temples built.
- "cathedrals building date is much more important than Liberalism date"
- You can get more great artists if you have all your cities build them.
Every time it's announced that HC has built a wonder, I cringe.
What the...! I thought I was going to get to that wonder first.
" Errrr, I am HC!!!!!!! "
Jbourne
Warlord
Good job keeping up with techs but it look like you were not focused. What are your stats? How late was this culture game? Please give a compair to jesusin's excellent game. What were your LC cities?
@jesusin. Which was your 3rd LC city? Did I miss it?
My capital, Asoka's capital and the first city I settled, by the inland sea coast SE, with fish, cow and wheat. It built Moai and with Colossus it didn't matter it had not many cottages.
Xcalibrator
Ultraviolet Catastrophe
1728 Conquest victory.
And I thought maybe my game would be something... special.
The early dates some other people have here are so ridiculous I just laughed (slightly hysterically) when I saw them! And 61 minutes?!! I, uh, spent more time than that. (42 hours. Don't tell anyone.) And that was even though I vassalized and freed colonies whenever I could just to keep the number of cities under control so I wouldn't spend too much time micromanaging! I'll have to reread TMIT's speed-civving guide again. 
500 AD post here. I stole maybe 4 workers from India early on but then waited until 950 AD to for my first real attack, taking 2 quick cities, and then DoWed Liz (who was starting to pull away in techs) with cannon. She soon got Redcoats, though, so I got peace and went after Asoka again, getting him to capitulate. After getting Railroad and machine guns I took on Liz again. During that second English war I got artillery, which really turned the tide. After that it was Egypt (took two wars to get her to cap), then Babylon, Dutch, finished Egypt, and finally Sitting Bull (with tanks against his pre-Steel rifles
).
I didn't settle in the New World, other than 1 city to get silver, and instead captured barb and AI cities later on and then freed my colonies. I did, however, pop all the goodie huts over there with caravels/spies, eventually popping Astronomy (which I didn't tech myself because I didn't want to lose the Colossus benefits). I spent one full turn of commerce on espionage against the tech leaders (Eng and Egypt) to see where I stood on the Liberalism race and was able to delay it enough to get Steel.
And I thought maybe my game would be something... special.
The early dates some other people have here are so ridiculous I just laughed (slightly hysterically) when I saw them! And 61 minutes?!! I, uh, spent more time than that. (42 hours. Don't tell anyone.) And that was even though I vassalized and freed colonies whenever I could just to keep the number of cities under control so I wouldn't spend too much time micromanaging! I'll have to reread TMIT's speed-civving guide again. 500 AD post here. I stole maybe 4 workers from India early on but then waited until 950 AD to for my first real attack, taking 2 quick cities, and then DoWed Liz (who was starting to pull away in techs) with cannon. She soon got Redcoats, though, so I got peace and went after Asoka again, getting him to capitulate. After getting Railroad and machine guns I took on Liz again. During that second English war I got artillery, which really turned the tide. After that it was Egypt (took two wars to get her to cap), then Babylon, Dutch, finished Egypt, and finally Sitting Bull (with tanks against his pre-Steel rifles
). I didn't settle in the New World, other than 1 city to get silver, and instead captured barb and AI cities later on and then freed my colonies. I did, however, pop all the goodie huts over there with caravels/spies, eventually popping Astronomy (which I didn't tech myself because I didn't want to lose the Colossus benefits). I spent one full turn of commerce on espionage against the tech leaders (Eng and Egypt) to see where I stood on the Liberalism race and was able to delay it enough to get Steel.
godotnut
Inverted Unicycle
Hi everyone. It's been a long time since I submitted a game, but a few of you probably remember me. I found this to be a most enjoyable map. Like Lexad, I have a real fondness for Quecha, probably because they provided me with my first Deity victory long ago.
Anyway, I decided to go for fastest diplo on contender. Unlike many, I was not discouraged by the distance to India and Quecha rushed and took their empire, seizing a capital with two religions founded, as well as Stonehenge. Stonehenge proved surprisingly powerful, when combine with my REX. The two religions were helpful in paying for my Sushi corporation.
After taking out India, I REXed and settled the new world, with no further wars, except many, many cities taken from barbs, mostly toward the end of the game.
Here are my results:
Entry class: Contender
Game status: Diplomatic Victory for Inca
Game date: 1580AD
Turns played: 336
Base score: 3472
Final score: 184423
Time played: 22:38:58
Thanks for the great map. I really enjoyed it.
All best,
godotnut
Anyway, I decided to go for fastest diplo on contender. Unlike many, I was not discouraged by the distance to India and Quecha rushed and took their empire, seizing a capital with two religions founded, as well as Stonehenge. Stonehenge proved surprisingly powerful, when combine with my REX. The two religions were helpful in paying for my Sushi corporation.
After taking out India, I REXed and settled the new world, with no further wars, except many, many cities taken from barbs, mostly toward the end of the game.
Here are my results:
Entry class: Contender
Game status: Diplomatic Victory for Inca
Game date: 1580AD
Turns played: 336
Base score: 3472
Final score: 184423
Time played: 22:38:58
Thanks for the great map. I really enjoyed it.
All best,
godotnut
Htadus
A and L's dad
I agree that is one impressive culture date considering his start.
jesusin. You beat my date by 26 turns. One of these days I will pop rush temples and major religious buildings and be competitive. I thought of buying major buildings but that is 999 gold per each? That is a rip off. With the gold I had that would only be 3 buildings. not focussed? You are being nice but it was more like szchitso(?) game to me. About 2 times I detoured to space game and 2 other times considered attacking the locals. I was able to beat everyone to rifling and started building rifles for a few turns and then changed my mind. Also got to Industrialism before all and traded it to my buddy SB and thought of taking out Liz and Hatty. Good thing I did not have time to play longer. I will do a compar when I have time. I have SG responsibilities to tend to now.
Thank you kcd_swede and Deckhand! Great to be here.
Some impressive games and nice finishing dates. I'm sure I can learn a thing or two from these posts.
I'll need to play lots of games with higher difficulty to get used to the AI bonuses and faster expansion, but I guess I'll be able to handle those immortal and deity games eventually. I think I'll give a shot also for that next BOTM but it'll probably turn out to be just a battle for survival.
Waiting for those lower difficulty BOTMs in next months...
Some impressive games and nice finishing dates. I'm sure I can learn a thing or two from these posts.
I'll need to play lots of games with higher difficulty to get used to the AI bonuses and faster expansion, but I guess I'll be able to handle those immortal and deity games eventually. I think I'll give a shot also for that next BOTM but it'll probably turn out to be just a battle for survival.
Waiting for those lower difficulty BOTMs in next months...
Nicol.Bolas
King
I lost. I managed to colonize new world by 1700 ad, but then was wiped from the old one. the dutch won by spaceship
A few lines on my game
After realizing I lack the scrutiny to manage 100 cities while milking score for 20+ hours, went for a refreshing 4-hour conquest. Settled on sugar, first worker went to mine hills, then 5 or 6 quechua, then workboat. Techs mining-fishing-BW-Sailing to mine gold and GLhouse.
After gathering 5 quechua attacked and captured hindu Delhi defended by 2 archers, lost 2. Due to workboat my quechua line was delayed, so ceasefire while building 3 more in Delhi and capturing Judaist Bombay. Then England killed in 3 or 4 settings, 2 cities captured, 2 destroyed. It was the only civ with Alpha and it signed up Hatty vs me. Killed one scout and ceasefired.
While killing England, built Oracle in Delhi (MCasting - maybe Monarchy would've been better, but got forges and Colossus for commerce) and GLhouse in Cuzco. Settled 3 island cities (gold, gems, copper). War was waged by captured cities only.
Seeing Bull and Hammurabi sealed the next step for low-commerce (0% science at negative cash until GLhouse and then again until Colossus) development - coughed up archery and horseback for horse archer force.
Approached Hatty and saw just-connected Iron - attack, pillage, capture 2 cities, see sword in Thebes and ceasefire. Bring along the fresh-minted HA - capture all cities except barb city to SE of Cuzco she's seized and I found much later. Hammurabi is tempted by Hatty's offerings, joins the war and loses 2 cities. Peace.
Meanwhile teching to Feud to vassalize the losers.
Bull finishes the Pyramids in Cahokia - strike with assembled force of some 20 HA which were moving to Hammy, capture all cities except the one with big stack and one sheep-dip. Vassalize.
Start Construction.
Renew assault on Hammy, vassalize after getting 2 cities.
Kill Hatty and vassalize Willem (now with 3-4 cats) after taking 4 cities. Pop-rush Hanging Gardens after accepting capitulation, winning next turn (115 AD).
Faster was easily doable.
After realizing I lack the scrutiny to manage 100 cities while milking score for 20+ hours, went for a refreshing 4-hour conquest. Settled on sugar, first worker went to mine hills, then 5 or 6 quechua, then workboat. Techs mining-fishing-BW-Sailing to mine gold and GLhouse.
After gathering 5 quechua attacked and captured hindu Delhi defended by 2 archers, lost 2. Due to workboat my quechua line was delayed, so ceasefire while building 3 more in Delhi and capturing Judaist Bombay. Then England killed in 3 or 4 settings, 2 cities captured, 2 destroyed. It was the only civ with Alpha and it signed up Hatty vs me. Killed one scout and ceasefired.
While killing England, built Oracle in Delhi (MCasting - maybe Monarchy would've been better, but got forges and Colossus for commerce) and GLhouse in Cuzco. Settled 3 island cities (gold, gems, copper). War was waged by captured cities only.
Seeing Bull and Hammurabi sealed the next step for low-commerce (0% science at negative cash until GLhouse and then again until Colossus) development - coughed up archery and horseback for horse archer force.
Approached Hatty and saw just-connected Iron - attack, pillage, capture 2 cities, see sword in Thebes and ceasefire. Bring along the fresh-minted HA - capture all cities except barb city to SE of Cuzco she's seized and I found much later. Hammurabi is tempted by Hatty's offerings, joins the war and loses 2 cities. Peace.
Meanwhile teching to Feud to vassalize the losers.
Bull finishes the Pyramids in Cahokia - strike with assembled force of some 20 HA which were moving to Hammy, capture all cities except the one with big stack
and one sheep-dip. Vassalize.Start Construction.
Renew assault on Hammy, vassalize after getting 2 cities.
Kill Hatty and vassalize Willem (now with 3-4 cats) after taking 4 cities. Pop-rush Hanging Gardens after accepting capitulation, winning next turn (115 AD).
Faster was easily doable.
srad
King
Great game Lexad!
You make it sound so easy, Lexad.
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