BTS for Mac.
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Crashes to desktop mainly. Happens often enough that I had to move autosaves up to every single turn. I consider myself lucky to play a session without any crashes. This is on a 2.16 GHz machine with 2 GB ram.
It shouldn't crash that often. What graphics do you have? If it meets the stated requirements then I'd guess there's something wrong with your Mac, your OS, or your Civ4 installation. If your graphics aren't up to scratch then nothing Aspyr can do is likely to compensate.
dutchking
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Aspyr is a dissapointment to me. It's been 3 months after BTS was released and there still isn't a mac version. I don't see what is so complicated about porting over a game to another operating system. You simply get rid of the .exe and make the game readable to Mac OSX. Well I've had enough of them and their crappy games anyway. After playing BTS in windows I'd say every single aspect of the game in performance, graphics, and the game itself is better than the mac version. Sorry guys.
That card should work fine, and you shouldn't need to turn the graphics down at all.
Have you patched Civ4 and Warlords to the latest versions? Do you suffer any other instabilities on your system, in other applications? That crash frequency is not what most players experience on good Mac rigs. Do you have crash reports? Do they point to a common problem area?
Yes to patches. My system is pretty stable in general; Windows machines usually crash more for me. I can't find any crash logs right now (I think they got cleared) and I actually have the game uninstalled for a while to get some work done, but when I get it back on I'll see if it happens again and check into it. (Really the only thing that keeps me from installing it again is the expected disappointment from a crash after 90 minutes of play...) I always thought most Mac players suffered this too, so it's weird to hear that I'm an anomaly. Thanks for the info.
I've not heard many howls of anguish about stability, so I don't get the impression that other folks here are suffering crashes on that scale. I'm sure they'll come around and tell us if I'm wrong.
That's a gross oversimplification - the process is far more involved and difficult than you're implying. 3 months would be an impossibly fast turnaround time, to be honest (unless the app were designed from the ground up for portability, which it's not). The main source of concern is that it's been 3 months without Aspyr even saying "we're working on it."
RE: Crashes
My MacBook intel core 2 duo (2.0 gHz, 1gig ram) crashes rarely. Seems completely unpredictable - no apparent correlation with map size, game length, number of fielded units, graphics settings, etc. I play around 4 to 6 hours a week, and I don't think it crashes more than once a month.
My MacBook intel core 2 duo (2.0 gHz, 1gig ram) crashes rarely. Seems completely unpredictable - no apparent correlation with map size, game length, number of fielded units, graphics settings, etc. I play around 4 to 6 hours a week, and I don't think it crashes more than once a month.
Aspyr announced yet another Sims expansion, and somebody at IMG complained about the lack of BtS. Glenda responded:
They obviously want to do it, but I guess there are still legal issues to be ironed out. And I guess it doesn't help that the head programmer, Brad Oliver, left.
They obviously want to do it, but I guess there are still legal issues to be ironed out. And I guess it doesn't help that the head programmer, Brad Oliver, left.
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I have a first generation Macbook Pro with the same specs, X1600 with 256 MBs VRAM, 2.16 GHz proc, and 2GBs RAM. I haven't really had any trouble with it running vanilla or warlords. Both of the desktops that I have, a dual G5 and a nvidia 24" iMac have had more problems. But once I set the autosave to 1 turn those problems seemed to stop. On the X1600 you definitely couldn't run with anti-aliasing turned on and full screen, I'm not sure if that has been fixed.
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I have an intel iMac and a MBP and Civ (patched to 1.61.whatever) crashes fairly frequently. Probably not once per session, maybe once every other session. Sometimes, multiple crashes in a session, though. So my experience seems in line with gallego's. I turned down graphics on the iMac, didn't seem to matter. Black ice (and black buildings) seems to occur 100% of the time if the session is long enough. Sound problems on both machines too; eventually the sound will quit, often with a bang, if you know what I mean.
I play all my games with the HOF mod, don't know if that makes a difference (don't see why it should).
I play all my games with the HOF mod, don't know if that makes a difference (don't see why it should).
I get that sound issue too sometimes. I don't use the mod, and I also switched from full screen to window mode, and I still get crashes.
I had the impression that Brad was not very involved in the Warlords port, so I'm sure they have other staff capable of doing BtS. Brad's absence no doubt makes a hole in their overall capacity, but Glenda's comment implies that it's not a resources issue.
gfeier
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"... other reasons why we might not be able to do Civ IV BtS yet ..."
- BtS is *still* not all all that stable on Windows, They are at v.3.13 and may still be counting. Might be better to wait for a solid version.
- Perhaps the BtS Assets are not Mac compatible, in a similar way to the XML in a lot of the 3rd party mods. That would cause problems for cross-platform multi-player, as the same locked assets saves would not run on both platforms. And it couldn't be resolved without a new Windows patch.
- The Windows BtS updater has broken locked assets compatibility with vanilla and Warlords saves from non-BtS versions. Maybe that needs to be resolved first, possibly also requiring a new Windows patch for one or more of the Civ4 products.
- Beyond the technical challenges, there could be contractual stuff to resolve that I can't begin to speculate on.
- Aspyr did announce an online game store system called GamerHood a while back. How might that affect what they do next, both technically and contractually?
- BtS is *still* not all all that stable on Windows, They are at v.3.13 and may still be counting. Might be better to wait for a solid version.
- Perhaps the BtS Assets are not Mac compatible, in a similar way to the XML in a lot of the 3rd party mods. That would cause problems for cross-platform multi-player, as the same locked assets saves would not run on both platforms. And it couldn't be resolved without a new Windows patch.
- The Windows BtS updater has broken locked assets compatibility with vanilla and Warlords saves from non-BtS versions. Maybe that needs to be resolved first, possibly also requiring a new Windows patch for one or more of the Civ4 products.
- Beyond the technical challenges, there could be contractual stuff to resolve that I can't begin to speculate on.
- Aspyr did announce an online game store system called GamerHood a while back. How might that affect what they do next, both technically and contractually?
bio_hazard
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Any reason to think it has to do with Leopard? Maybe Aspyr assumes a lot of mac users will be upgrading soon, and they are waiting for the system updates from Apple before they have a stable platform... (no reason to think this is the case- just speculating).
dojoboy
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In addition, Aspyr and Take2 may not be able to get on the same page regarding fees.
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