Budget

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Cyc
Right now it looks as tho Doemestic and Culture have 576 gold

Trade and Military each have 192 gold

that's a 60/20/20 split.

with the general fund getting 10%, that's 110% of income.

No additional funds were allocated for the general fund this turn.

 

[donsig]

originally posted by donsig:

Using eyrei's newest budget here are the figures:

Military: 145 saved + 60 (20%) = 229 gold
Foreign Affairs: 345 gold saved
Trade: 60 gold
Science: nothing to spend
Culture: 145 gold saved + ?????
Domestic & Culture: 181 gold (60%)

Total 960 gold

originally posted by Cyc:

Right now it looks as tho Doemestic and Culture have 576 gold

Trade and Military each have 192 gold

that's a 60/20/20 split.

with the general fund getting 10%, that's 110% of income.

Eyrei please clarify this. My figures take into account what each department has saved. I think Cyc is taking the current treasury and splitting it without taking these savings into account.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig
originally posted by donsig:




Eyrei please clarify this. My figures take into account what each department has saved. I think Cyc is taking the current treasury and splitting it without taking these savings into account.

Yes, you are right. Please see the earlier posts, Cyc. Departments are free to save their money. That is why the math is somewhat confusing. Existing departmental treasuries must first be subtracted from the whole, and then the percentages are applied to find what is added to each department's budget.

 

[chiefpaco]

I like the proposals & wonder if the suggested luxuries rate & citizen optimizations should go into the chat instructions thread. However, I may be wrong. Are they recommendations or instructions? Or, just thoughts?

 

[donsig]

accounts as of 680 AD
Military: 229 gold
Foreign Affairs: 345 gold
Trade: 60 gold
Science: 0 gold
Culture: 145 gold
Domestic & Culture: 181 gold
Total 960 gold

Expenditures
Military: 0 gold
Foreign Affairs: 295 (64 gold for library in Macao, 231 returned to treasury)
Trade: 0 gold
Culture: 320 gold for 4 libraries
Domestic: 0 gold
Total Expenditures: 615 gold

account balances as of 780 AD
Military: 229 gold
Foreign Affairs: 50 gold
Trade: 60 gold
Science: 0 gold
Culture: 0 gold
Domestic & Culture: 0 gold
Treasury available for appropriation 640 gold:
Total 979 gold

 

[Zur]

Just wondering, was Trade Dept. supposed to receive 20% of income according to Eyrei's latest budget review? Our balance has remained at 60g since 680AD.

 

[eyrei]

Zur. Your budget will not change until I have done the new one.

Department leaders (if anyone else has a proposal, please post it as well) please post any budget requests you have ASAP so I can better allocate the treasury. If your proposal would require more than 30% of the treasury, please post it in the citizens sub forum for discussion

Donsig, thanks for doing the budget numbers. Would you edit your post to reflect 0 gold in the culture departments treasury, and subtract 12 from the national treasury?

 

[donsig]

I edited Culture to reflect a zero gold balance. Since I wasn't really sure how to handle the 'borrowing' the (-12 gold) was not reflected in the treasury figures so no adjustment to them is needed. There should be 979 gold in the pot now with 339 saved up by FA, Trade and military leaving an actual 640 gold to be disbursed.

BTW, should we turn 'domestic & culture' into domestic?

 

[Zur]

Eyrei:Zur. Your budget will not change until I have done the new one.

Not change as in does it remain at 20% of income?

If so, then it should be above 60g now due to income from last 10 turns. Pls. clarify.

 

[eyrei]

Budget as of May 17

Military Department: 229 + 71 + 300 (enough to upgrade 5 pikemen to musketmen)
Foreign Affairs: 50
Trade: 60 + 100 = 160 (I would like to see this money + the science departments budget be used towards acquiring technology from our neighbors)
Culture: 120 (to rush libraries in Byblos and Elephantine)
Science: 100
Domestic: 200 (I would like to use this to rush a harbor in Eyr to keep that city growing, but probably not until the next set of turns)
National: 191


I hope that answers your question, Zur.

 

[donsig]

Eyrei, please specify what can or can't be done with the 'national' appropriation. Can it be spent (or borrowed agaist) at all and if so under what circumstances?

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig
Eyrei, please specify what can or can't be done with the 'national' appropriation. Can it be spent (or borrowed agaist) at all and if so under what circumstances?

My take on this is that a department may, if for some reason something costs more during the chat than when it was originally investigated, borrow up to 5% of the cost of whatever it is they want from the national treasury. It can also be used if the president (or whoever is playing) encounters an emergency situation. Currently, the foreign affairs department is trying to get consensus to use it to rush a temple in Macao.

I think things will be easier to keep track of if gold is allotted to depts rather than percentages, so I will start a budget request thread after each turn chat and then allocate money based on this, for particular purchases. Generally, each department will get a small allotment to save after each turn, even if nothing is requested.

 

[Civanator]

What should we do in the event of selling a tech? Should we give all of the money to science? or split it between foriegn and science departments? I'm thinking it would all go to science and maybe 10% to the National or just all to science.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Civanator
What should we do in the event of selling a tech? Should we give all of the money to science? or split it between foriegn and science departments? I'm thinking it would all go to science and maybe 10% to the National or just all to science.

That is a good question. My vote would be that it all goes into the national treasury for reallocation, but others may feel differently. Let's have this discussion elsewhere. I will start a thread in the citizens forum.

 

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by eyrei


That is a good question. My vote would be that it all goes into the national treasury for reallocation, but others may feel differently. Let's have this discussion elsewhere. I will start a thread in the citizens forum.

I agree. Otherwise Foreign Affairs, Trade, and Science would end up with all the money. Unless, of course, all the money generated by cities went to Domestic and Culture :flamedevi

 

[Falcon02]

128g from culture (Libraries)
192g from Foreign Affairs (Temple)
160g from Trade (most of Silk Deal)
300g from Military (Pike Ugrades)
216g from Domestic (20 from silk deal, 196 from Court rush, overbudget by 16g)
996 Total Spent

Current Treasury stats: 515g, 66gpt

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by eyrei
Budget as of May 17

Military Department: 229 + 71 + 300 (enough to upgrade 5 pikemen to musketmen)
Foreign Affairs: 50
Trade: 60 + 100 = 160 (I would like to see this money + the science departments budget be used towards acquiring technology from our neighbors)
Culture: 120 (to rush libraries in Byblos and Elephantine)
Science: 100
Domestic: 200 (I would like to use this to rush a harbor in Eyr to keep that city growing, but probably not until the next set of turns)
National: 191

Please note that these allocations total 1121 gold but the total in the treasury at the start of the May 17 turn chat was 979 gold.

Originally posted by Falcon02:

128g from culture (Libraries)
192g from Foreign Affairs (Temple)
160g from Trade (most of Silk Deal)
300g from Military (Pike Ugrades)
216g from Domestic (20 from silk deal, 196 from Court rush, overbudget by 16g)
996 Total Spent

I've tried to fit the General's expenditure figures into eyrei's appropriation figures to see if any department has any gold saved and this is the best I can come up with:

Military: 300 - 300 (upgraded 5 pikemen) = 0 gold saved
Foreign Affairs: 50 - 50 (towards Cultural Assault) = 0 gold saved
Trade: 160 - 160 (bought silks from India) = 0 gold saved
Culture: 120 - 128 (rushed libraries) = 8 gold over budget
Science: 100 - 0 spent = 100 gold saved
Domestic: 200 - 216 (balance of silk deal, 20 gold and rushed courthouse in Thebes to prep for Forbidden Palace) = 16 gold over budget
National: 191 - 142 (balance of Cultural Assualt) = 50 gold saved

Current Treasury stats: 515g, 66gpt

So, science has 100 gold saved and there is still 50 in the national account. That leaves 365 gold to be allocated for the next turn chat.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig


Please note that these allocations total 1121 gold but the total in the treasury at the start of the May 17 turn chat was 979 gold.

Sorry about that. I got interrupted right in the middle of that and had to leave it for about an hour. I hope it didn't cause any significant problems.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by eyrei
Sorry about that. I got interrupted right in the middle of that and had to leave it for about an hour. I hope it didn't cause any significant problems.

It didn't cause problems but does help to explain (along with the large amounts spent) why the treasury is not at as high a level as we had before.

 

[donsig]

We currently have 866 gold of which the NSD has 100 gold saved. The rest will be reallocated for the upcoming turn chat.

During the last turn chat we spent 224 gold to rush the temple inThebes (FPC). We also spent much gold on the new war. These emergency expenditures included a wall in Justinian (160 gold), upgrading 4(?) pikemen (240 gold) and rushing a musketman regiment in Justinian.