Bug - Holy Mountain quest terminated prematurely

[ButSam]

I know there have already been bug reports relating to the Holy Mountain, but those tend to be different than the bug I just experienced...

For some strange reason, the Holy Mountain quest terminated well before I could have possibly met any of the termination criteria. I couldn't even build Caravels yet -- how was I to settle next to a mountain on another island?

As a somewhat related bug, at least for the Holy Mountain quest on my system, I could not scroll the "Quests" tab to read all of the text of the Holy Mountain quest again...

(I'm relatively proud of this game, Prince is usually a challenge and I started alone. Christianity was found before 1000 BC thanks to the Oracle.)

I'm having trouble with the attach button, but saves are available. How do I get them uploaded? I can't seem to click on the paperclip.

I did not change State Religions, and have been founding more cities in order to build temples/cathedrals/monestaries.

EDIT: Upon further examination, it looks like the bug is actually that you cannot scroll in the Quest window. The AI most likely settled near the Holy Mountain, but I could not review the termination conditions because of this scroll bug.

 

[ori]

Do you have a save? Also if I recall correctly the Mountain does not have to be far away, maybe you accidentally settled near the right one?
The scrolling thing is a bug, I don't know if it has already been reported though...

 

[ButSam]

I guess it's possible I settled next to the holy mountain (although it is unlikely; I don't think I had newly-settled cities or newly-expanded borders that included a mountain), but I should have gotten a "success" message instead of a "failure" message if I settled next to it.

In 1200 BC, I got the quest (and have attached the save). Yes, I founded Christianity before 1200 BC The Oracle is wonderful!

The 1200 BC save can also be used to show the scroll bars don't work on the Quests tab.

The second save is from 600 AD. In 580 AD I got the failure message, as the log shows.

I couldn't see any culture borders that had recently expanded, but I may be missing something.

Sam

 

[ori]

A - it was a failure notice
I will look at the saves tonight - but there is the distinct possibility that another player settled at the Holy Mountain leading to the failure notice...

 

[ButSam]

Ahhh; I had wondered whether I could militarily take over the Holy Mountain spot or not. If not, then it makes sense that I would get the failure.

I can't see the text right now for the entire Holy Mountain quest (not at the right machine), but if it doesn't currently state that you must settle there before an AI settles there and military takeover is not an option, it should.

Let me know what you are able to find. And how do you know what is the holy mountain, since the temple/cathedral/monastery builds are apparently broken?

Sam

 

[ori]

well I would not know which is the holy mountain - I would just look at peaks that recently got into someones borders and look for a mention that someone else has completed the quest (I am not sure that such a message is implemented though).
The code:

def expireHolyMountain1(argsList):
	iEvent = argsList[0]
	kTriggeredData = argsList[1]

	plot = gc.getMap().plot(kTriggeredData.iPlotX, kTriggeredData.iPlotY)
	if (plot == None):
		return true
	
	if (plot.getOwner() != kTriggeredData.ePlayer and plot.getOwner() != -1):
		return true
		
	return false

Definitely fails the Quest if someone else owns the plot of the holy mountain...

 

[ButSam]

I just looked up the text in the XML file for this quest. It does clearly state the following:

[PARAGRAPH:1]To complete this quest, you must extend your cultural influence and control over the Peak plot that is the Holy Mountain. You may achieve this by divine providence by settling near any Peaks you find. Eventually you may find the right one.[PARAGRAPH:1]Or you may seek further guidance from studying the holy scriptures. If you build %d3 religious buildings (Temples and Monasteries), your religious leaders will solve the puzzle and identify the correct location of the Holy Mountain, which you must then still go and settle near to complete the quest. A %s2_building allows for more coordinated worship and is worth as much as four Temples for the purposes of this quest.[PARAGRAPH:1]You will fail this quest if you change state religions, cease to have a state religion, or reach [COLOR_TECH_TEXT]Industrialism[COLOR_REVERT] without having met the conditions. You will also fail this quest if any other civilization takes control of the Holy Mountain before you do.

So it looks like someone else took control of the Holy Mountain. Shucks!

I guess the only bug here is that I couldn't scroll through the text window of the Quest again to see what the terminating conditions are.

I would like to see one of the following changes, though:

Either
(1) Make Holy Mountain quest not reachable prior to discovery of Optics (so you actually have a chance of settling at the holy mountain first), or
(2) Make the Holy Mountain quest not fail when someone else settles there (you have to take it over by force or culture, but you don't automatically lose)

Those are just suggestions now though -- not bugs. It's just odd to get the quest in early BC and not even have Optics yet when failure is triggered. I don't think the other AIs are that much more technically advanced, since the "XXX developed a compilation of the world's standings in YYY category" rank me at #1 or #2.

Sam

 

[ori]

What probably happened was that an AI accidentally settled at the Holy Mountain which essentially is a random peak on the map...
I agree on the scroll thing, in fact if you have two active quests you can never reread the text for the second because of that...

 

[jkp1187]

If you click & drag the bottom right corner of the Quest window, you will be able to make it longer and wider just like a normal window. Just do that until the window is large enough to accommodate all of the text.

 

[ori]

If you click & drag the bottom right corner of the Quest window, you will be able to make it longer and wider just like a normal window. Just do that until the window is large enough to accommodate all of the text.

didn't know that (it never occurred to me)