Building a System

Maj

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With a shiny new credit card in hand I now have access to a much vaster computer parts market. I've heard time and again from the thrifty to crafty how much cheaper one can build a system than order it prebuilt from major retailers (e.g. Dell).

The only catch here is that I have never built a system, although I have some experience with a tower's basic anatomy (added network cards, swapped drives, installed RAM, etc.). Can anyone recommend a website with all the necessary instructions and tips for the do-it-yourself computer architect?

Also, not paying much attention to the prices of electronics during the Holiday season, I was wondering if any of you knew if they drop much during 'Boxing Day Madness' sales? I'm not desperate to upgrade so I'm willing to wait a few weeks to save an extra bill or two.

cheers
 
Actually, I just ordered and built a system the other day. I ordered off of http://www.newegg.com - probably the most ideal place to purchase all of your computer parts for the cheapeast possible price, and great service. You can compare their prices with other places at www.pricewatch.com .

Here are the key components you will need to build your own PC:

1. Processor (Intel or AMD - ultimately your choice. Intel has a bit more power than AMD, but is more expensive (with the exception of the 64 bit AMD)

2. Motherboard - this is an important one. Keep in mind, once you choose a processor, you need to find a motherboard that is compatible with your processor. Not any motherboard will fit any processor. So let's say that you purchase a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz processor with a 800 Mhz FSB - you will need a motherboard that supports the same socket type, and supports the 800 Mhz FSB. If you order an AMD, make sure the motherboard supports those specs as well. If you shop on Newegg, you can see every detail about each product and make sure they are compatible. (I suggest Asus or MSI brands)

3. RAM - Now this ultimately becomes your choice. Once again you need to keep in mind the FSB of your processor, and what your motherboard supports. If you get an 800 Mhz FSB then you will want to consider purchasing DDR400 (PC3200) RAM which takes advantage of the FSB speed. Just make sure your motherboard supports the speed and type of RAM you get. You have the choice between purchasing OEM RAM or a brandname retail style. The OEM will be cheaper, but there's no guarantee that it's going to perform well or be quality - so I recommend that if you have the money, fork over some money for quality RAM from a supplier like Giel or Kingston.

4. Case - Depends on your taste and style. Make sure you purchase one with a quality power supply in it (get no less than 350W). Many people, including myself, prefer Antec cases and power supplies - quality materials.

5. Video Cards - next to the processor, these can run you the most money, and usually more than the processor. Ultimately this is your choice yet again. It depends on how serious you are about games. You have choices, but the two main choices are Nvidia and ATI. Right now ATI seems to have the bleeding edge lead on the market, so most people are going for the ATI Radeon 9800 - which runs for about 400 bucks. I suggest the 9600XT if you can afford it (over 100 bucks). Both Nvidia and ATI make quality cards, you can read reviews and comparisons of them at www.tomshardware.com (you can also find Intel vs. AMD benchmarks to see what they think is better). Make sure you buy an AGP video card, not a PCI card. And don't get something really cheap, because you will not be pleased with the results in most cases, especially when playing games.

6. Hard Drives - If you don't have one you want to throw in there, feel free to purchase a new hard drive. They are relatively cheap these days. I recommend Western Digital hard drives - I swear by them. Try to get a hard drive with an 8mb buffer if you can find a relatively cheap one you like.

(If you are setting up a RAID0 or SATA, then you are going to have to fork over more money, but I'm assuming you're not going in that direction.)

7. CD-RW/DVD/blah blah blah - You want one? Choose one and go for it. You can get cheap non-brand name ones, or you can go for the high end brand name ones. So many to choose from, and lot's of good ones (and bad ones) out there. I recommend you read reviews posted on newegg of the products you are considering to see what people who purchased certain products think. They will tell you for instance if you buy a DVD player if it is quiet or noisy as hell.

8. NIC (network card - This really isn't a necessity these days. Most motherboard now include built in NICs. Get a motherboard with the NIC built in.

9. Sound Card - Same as above - most motherboards include built in sound nowadays, and they are usually quality. However if you are really keen on sound, then you can fork out the massive cash for a nice one. I recommend a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Z (or something like that.)

10. Miscellaneous - Monitors, floppy drive, speakers, mouse, keyboard, wireless card, etc. These are all small and random things you just have to choose and find.

When you have purchased and ordered your system, building it is relatively easy.

Open the case up (follow instructions from the book if you don't know.) and prepare it for installation. Open up your motherboard and processor, and place the processor into its socket, then place the heatsink and fan onto the CPU. (refer to included instructions). Connect the fan's cord to the motherboard. Next install RAM into the motherboard. Then place the motherboard into the case, making sure the screws line up with the holes, and whatnot. Then install all peripherals and connect your floppy, hard drive(s), CD drive(s), and so on. Connect your case's wires (power switch, reset, IDE LED, etc) to the motherboard, using your motherboard's manual as reference to what goes where. Make sure to connect the power supply to the motherboard (usually there are two wires.) If you are using more than one hard drive, make sure the jumpers are set on each to determine which is the slave and which is the master drive (same for multiple CD/DVD drives.)

Make sure that there is no power to the case or items while installing them. Also make sure you are in a relatively static-free area. Do not place eletronic items on the carpet, place them on the bags they came in, or a hard flat surface. Always touch a grounded object (such as the metal on your case) before actually handling the electronic components.

I'm not sure when you can expect the next big sale. I got some really good deals on what I bought on Thanksgiving day because Newegg was having a big sale. They will most likely have plenty more Christmas sales and whatnot, so just keep your eye out.
 
Thanks for the thorough run-through. Newegg.com sites or proxies are amazing places to get deals but unfortunately for me their merchandise falls exclusively in the hands of American residents. I'll have to settle with Canadian vendors or make an effort to locate American retailers that offer international delivery. So far they've been tough find.
 
Its always a question of timing with a new system...so never upgrade just before Xmas.
Its being going many tech websites that Intel is cutting its prices across the board on Dec. 28th. I believe it! I would wait a couple of weeks after Xmas for price changes to take effect on the majority of retailers.
 
9. Sound Card - Same as above - most motherboards include built in sound nowadays, and they are usually quality. However if you are really keen on sound, then you can fork out the massive cash for a nice one. I recommend a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Z (or something like that.)

I'd go with the M-Audio revolution 7.1 - bettter sound quality and a lot more bang for the buck.
 
as for assembly - most parts come with a decent enough manual. you should be able to go off that. in addition, most manufacturer's websites are pretty good and have tutorial stuff.
 
After numerous consultations across several hardware specialty forums I've come down to this system:

INTEL PENTIUM 4 P4 2.6GHZ C 512K 800FSB S478 HT RETAIL BOX

ABIT IS7-E S478 865PE ATX DUAL DDR AGP 5PCI SATA SOUND LAN

KINGSTON HYPERX 512MB DUAL CHANNEL KIT PC3200 2X256MB DDR 400MHZ 184PIN

ATI RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB AGP VGA DVI W/ TV OUT RETAIL BOX

ANTEC SLK3700AMB MID-TOWER CASE 350W 4X5.25 7X3.5

I'll rely on the onboard soundcard for now and my current HD will do for now.

Thanks to all those who pitched in their two cents and a big thanks to Jeratain for taking the time to post his two dollars.
 
Sounds like a killer system. Have fun with it :)

Oh... I think I may have forgotten to mention. Building your own system requires you to have an Operating System to use. Windows XP and the newer Kernels in Linux OSes offer support for HyperThreading. So if you have one of those types of OSes, more power to you.
 
If I don't want to figure out how to build my own system...
Is a Dell and monitor worth the money they charge or should I buy from a local reputable computer store?
 
Shop around. Compare prices and monitors. See what people think. www.pricewatch.com is a good place to see what competing stores charge for certain products.

I recommend that you never buy a refurbished monitor.
 
Dell's alright. I used them at my last job, and they were quality machines. May have just been the company I worked for, however.

Maj - The only thing I would change is bump up the processor to a 2.8. I don't think it's that much more for the processor, and you get a little bit more bang for it. The 3.0 & 3.2 are horrilby overprice, IMO, tho. 2.6 - 2.8 appears to be the best compromise between power vs price. But you won't be disappointed with the 2.6, either. And with the 800 mhz FSB, you'll have an upgrade path for later on when the prices of the 3.0 and 3.2 come down.
 
Maj, if you live in an area with static electricity problems be sure to be grounded.
 
IceBlaze - I'll connect my wrist to a grounded metal frame with a cord. Any carpets about my feet will be rolled up and put away. I'm not sure what else would build up a charge in me aside from carpet friction. When you say "live in an area" do you mean a the area of my house or the geographic region of my corner of the world? :)

Turner - There's actually a CDN$50 price difference between the 2.8 and 2.6 chips. Here in Canada I have a very narrow choice of online retailers to choose from as compared with the vast, vast, vast number of vendors the American online market boasts. Some probably deliver to Canada, but the major dealmakers sell only within the U.S. borders. Plus, in a year's time I might overclock the 2.6C (after upgrading the HSF). Apparently they're very O/Cable.

And NEW QUESTION:

My mother now would like me to build her a PC should my project be successful. She's looking for something much less power: A system capable of operating Windows XP, Powerpoint, Word and IE (and their next few years of new versions). That's it. What kind of components should a machine with a light load like this need?

cheers and thanks again
 
Maj. . .didn't realize you were in Canada. Should have read your location.

I'd go with at least a 2.4 mhz system. I'm really partial to the 800 Mhz FSBs, but if you're looking for a value system, then something like PowerSpec or Global Computer might be the way to go. They're cheap, and Powerspec's are supposed to be decent systems. I have a buddy that used to work for Microcenter (they're the ones that support the Powerspec down here in the states) and he said they were decent.
 
Originally posted by Maj
Still chugging along with Win 98SE. Good chance I'll upgrade to XP, though.

If you decide to, I would advise getting the full version of XP instead of upgrading. And consider getting it OEM instead of retail- cheaper. Unless you just like having a manual that you'll probably never use or need anyway.
 
Turner - Canada ain't so bad :)

The 2.4C was my second choice but since the 2.6C was equal in price to the 2.4 at the site I ordered by rig from I opted for the extra .2 (and maybe more if I O/C). The order has been placed and I am now eagerly awaiting the package's arrival.

Speedo - Thanks for the tip. Only today did I finally look up OEM's unabbreviated meaning. Before I took it to mean "less expensive but less reliable". Probably not the case with software, though. If sleeping pills were more expensive I might have gone retail. ;)
 
Nah, OEM just means you get rid of the junk you don't need :)

Like when I built my current comp, I got several things OEM.

OS (XP Pro)- just the install CD and some small manual (and I haven't even looked at it)
CD-RW and DVD drives- You just get the drive by itself in a anti-static bag, and thats all I need
CPU- Just the chip itself, didn't come with a heatsink/fan (I already knew I would be getting a different one, no point in paying $10 more)

95% of the time if you can get it OEM, it's worth it :)
 
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