Hmm... Provoke an argument? Me? Never... My point is that just because a game doesn't work on your machine, does not mean it's the games fault. Maybe it is, but that remains to be seen. It seems to me that you are saying that any software that doesn't run on your system for any reason must be broken/bugged/untested. Why is it 'obvious' that they rushed through QA to get this released before Christmas? If I'm not mistaken, the release date has been set for a while so it was really their plan all along to release before Christmas. If you mean it's obvious to you because it doesn't work, I see your point, but keep in mind there are plenty of people playing with no (or at least minor) issues. If they tested on all hardware/software combos, the game would never be released. So the game does run for you? What exactly is the problem? Just late in the game it crashes? Does it do this on all maps? Have you checked out the ATI card fix (not sure if it's applicable)? If it is indeed a issue with civ4 conflicting with some type of hardware, then I hope too they fix it (along with my other grievances, ESPECIALLY MOUNTAINS!). If not, I hope you find out what is causing it.