C-IV SGOTM 05 Pre-Game Discussion Thread
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I would like to make a proposal that I think will give teams, especially those with members who play less regularly, a more equal footing:
The map wouldn't have to be at all similar to this one, (in fact it could be pathologically different.) The idea would be that since this is such a bizarre scenario, most likely no one has ever played it before. Teams that know how to make a practice game and play it will have a decided advantage. I can tell you for sure that Murky Waters will be making one and practicing.
If Gyathaar makes one, then the staff know 1) that all teams had a chance to practice on an appropriate scenario and 2) that we all can see the mechanics of how it's set up, if we want to make our own.
Just some food for thought in the interest of leveling the playing field a bit.
EDIT: Or perhaps even better, time permitting, would be a quick write-up on how to put together such scenarios...
How about Gyathaar posting a practice game?
The map wouldn't have to be at all similar to this one, (in fact it could be pathologically different.) The idea would be that since this is such a bizarre scenario, most likely no one has ever played it before. Teams that know how to make a practice game and play it will have a decided advantage. I can tell you for sure that Murky Waters will be making one and practicing.
If Gyathaar makes one, then the staff know 1) that all teams had a chance to practice on an appropriate scenario and 2) that we all can see the mechanics of how it's set up, if we want to make our own.
Just some food for thought in the interest of leveling the playing field a bit.
EDIT: Or perhaps even better, time permitting, would be a quick write-up on how to put together such scenarios...
This reminds me of a question ... At levels below monarch, the human gets a bonus fighting against barbs. I don't recall, but I think the AI might get the bonus at monarch (and above). But if the human is teamed with the barbs, will the AI get the same bonus against the human?Gyathaar said:
culdeus
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Can I have some assurance that the creators have played a full game through with these conditions? I mean this is ripe for a big bug to bite someone right in the ###.
DaviddesJ
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If the game doesn't go to your liking, I think the admins will refund 200% of your GOTM entry fee.
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KMadCandy
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OH! at least in warlords, whether an AI will trade with you depends on how his entire team (if he has one) feels about your entire team. teams meaning teams at start up, PAs, and master/vassals. that can create situations like you have two vassals that are both friendly with you, but are only pleased with each other--they're not actually friendly with you even tho the screen says that they are. you can be someone's "worst enemy" even if the diplomatic screen says that he personally is friendly with you personally if the teams have enough people on them bickering. it gets all funky.
and i can't imagine any civ on the planet will have good relations with the Barbs, since with no diplomatic screen, the barbs can't ever earn any + modifiers with anybody
.that "team attitude to team attitude" thing might not be true for vanilla though, i don't know.
da_Vinci
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If it worries you that much, you could post the Murky Waters practice game to "level the playing field"
It is the least you can do for balance after you guys gobbled up jesusin within 11 minutes of his post!
Well, someone needs to take on the Russians, so it might as well be you guys.
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MW may have more surprises up that sleeve...It is the least you can do for balance after you guys gobbled up jesusin within 11 minutes of his post!
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Murky Waters is open to members of all nationalities. Just because one nationality is blessed with genius of a higher order doesn't mean you should single them out for your wanton attacks.If it worries you that much, you could post the Murky Waters practice game to "level the playing field"
It is the least you can do for balance after you guys gobbled up jesusin within 11 minutes of his post!
Well, someone needs to take on the Russians, so it might as well be you guys.
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lol The original charter for Murky Waters states:
Our purpose is to advance the common knowledge for the Civfanatics Community for the good of all members, in the name of good sportspersonship, while gradually assembling a team that is so f'ing good that Sid Meier cloisters himself in a monastery in fear and trepidation.
I have no problem with someone making a practice game and posting it here... it is quite common on the single player XOTMs after all
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I understand that, but my concern is that I goofed it up or didn't make it according to the constraints you laid out. Ha! As I began to type this I got a report from Big Pig that my first attempt crashes at around 0 AD (three times in a row...). That's perplexing.I have no problem with someone making a practice game and posting it here... it is quite common on the single player XOTMs after all
What I did, right or wrong, was first to use Genghis Khan, because he has the same charactersitics as Temujin, and when I edited the WBsave, I replaced ContactWithTeam=0 with ContactWithTeam=18 in all 8 of the BeginTeam statements. Is that a mistake? Otherwise the only change I made was to rename GK using LeaderName=Temujin.
The other problem I had was that I couldn't upload (cough cough) the .Civ4WorldBuilderSave file type, so I renamed the upload file with .sav file type and Big Pig had to rename it back. I don't see why that would be a problem, but I don't know.
This file hopefully works:
The contactwithteam dont matter.. all teams always has contact with barbarians anyway..
The only thing you need to change is the team player number 0 is in.. he has to be in team 18 instead of team 0
The only thing you need to change is the team player number 0 is in.. he has to be in team 18 instead of team 0
Frederiksberg
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It is the least you can do for balance after you guys gobbled up jesusin within 11 minutes of his post!
. You are absolutely right! And since I was the one who suggested that jesusin signed up for the SGOTM (in the GOTM 18 spoiler) I feel entitled to some kind of talent scouting fee 
. Actually I have another tip for LtC: DaviddesJ has just signed up for SGOTM5 and seems to be looking for a team - don't forget my fee .Maybe this is already old news for LtC anyway - he seems to be all over the (S)GOTM threads with all sorts of fonts and colored letters. Remember when he replied to me in pink letters - that was really scary
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SO are yo saying the only change I need to make is from:
BeginPlayer
Team=0
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BeginPlayer
Team=18
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Or are you saying that I need to add a new entry after
that looks something like:
Spoiler :
that looks something like:
Spoiler :
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We have upped the dose of his injections and he is somewhat less dis-inhibited now - although with LC it is always touch-and-go as to what may set him off againMaybe this is already old news for LtC anyway - he seems to be all over the (S)GOTM threads with all sorts of fonts and colored letters. Remember when he replied to me in pink letters - that was really scary
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