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Edit: new video today actually. I just wanna promote this channel. Better then CNN.
US Claims Russia Has KILL LIST, Ukraine Invasion IMMINENT | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - YouTube
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This might mark the end of the Ukrainian civil war, there will likely be ongoing border conflicts between Ukraine and the two "republics", but it is now unlikely that Ukraine will try to push the borders further.
Kiev has had 8 years to negotiate and reconcile with the separatists, but they have turned their back on diplomacy.
They have consistently refused to meet with the separatists throughout the conflict, stating that they would only meet with them if they surrender first.
One can't expect the integrity of a nation to survive eternal civil war.
The UN haven't, as far as I know, seriously discussed sending peacekeeping forces to eastern Ukraine for these past 8 years, and now the area of separatist regions (+ an extension around it inside Ukraine) looks like the west bank of Europe, and the separatists the Palestine's of Europe. Russia probably wouldn't have vetoes it if the peacekeepers would safeguard the separatists areas, as that would have forced Kiev to reconsider the path of diplomacy, which is what Russia has been nagging about since 2014.
It's about time that someone intervenes and try to stop this ridiculous civil war, that is akin to a cultural purge (derussification some calls it), that Ukrainians have been waging.
Kiev has had 8 years to negotiate and reconcile with the separatists, but they have turned their back on diplomacy.
They have consistently refused to meet with the separatists throughout the conflict, stating that they would only meet with them if they surrender first.
One can't expect the integrity of a nation to survive eternal civil war.
The UN haven't, as far as I know, seriously discussed sending peacekeeping forces to eastern Ukraine for these past 8 years, and now the area of separatist regions (+ an extension around it inside Ukraine) looks like the west bank of Europe, and the separatists the Palestine's of Europe. Russia probably wouldn't have vetoes it if the peacekeepers would safeguard the separatists areas, as that would have forced Kiev to reconsider the path of diplomacy, which is what Russia has been nagging about since 2014.
It's about time that someone intervenes and try to stop this ridiculous civil war, that is akin to a cultural purge (derussification some calls it), that Ukrainians have been waging.
Spoiler Notes found on Wikipedia pages about Ukrainian language :
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Its only the first try by putin to reetablish the soviet union, russia supported the civil war in the seperatist provinces and btw started it, without russia there will be no civil war at all, most likely they will use it now as false flag attacks on the russia created seperatists to get a point to invade also the rest of ukraine. Russia accepted the sovereign borders of ukraine after ukraine left the soviet union, now you see they broke what they really signed on paper.
Its like i come to your house and say its now my house.
Krim and the seperatist provinces are owned by ukraine and russia signed it. You can try to turn it in any way but ukraine is a sovereign country accepted woldwide, so russia has not to send troops into another country. If the seperatist dont want to life in ukraine they can move to russia.
All behind this is that russia wants to expand and reetablish the soviet union again, and they will use force also for it, but they will be hit now, communism can go home and will not come back, later the russian population will maybe throw Putin out if they can overcome the russian supressing police state.
"It's about time that someone intervenes and try to stop this ridiculous civil war, that is akin to a cultural purge (derussification some calls it), that Ukrainians have been waging." You should not believe all russian propaganda.
If russia really wants to end the civil war in the seperatist provinces they can vote in the UN for UN troops, but they want to expand so they want to occupy the territory. So russia shows exactly the imperialism that you blame so much.
The second speaker here tells the truth and some guys and others should be a bit more patriotic than listening to lies and russian propaganda:
Also the real point here is russia speculates that ukraine may attack russian forces because they moved into sovereign ukraine territory, so russia has a reason to invade the complete ukraine.
So we will see what history hast next in store for us... will russia stop now or will they continue?
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Aha...new news, truth or the next lie, first sign that russia reconsiders the consequences?:
Moskau: "Im Moment" keine Entsendung von Truppen in die Ostukraine geplant.
Moscow: "Actually no troop deployment to east ukraine planned".
The situation is opaque: On Monday, the Russian President ordered the deployment of soldiers to the areas in Ukraine controlled by the separatists. Then there are reports of tank movements. However, Moscow and Donetsk say there are no Russian soldiers in the conflict zone.
Are the Russian troops there yet?
Status: 02/22/2022 3:56 p.m
Are Russian troops already in eastern Ukraine? The EU firmly believes so. Moscow denies. And there are conflicting statements from the separatists.
"Media reports and videos about armored vehicles Media close to the Kremlin also reported that Russian troops were already in the Donbass. Videos purporting to show Russian armored vehicles in Donbass have been circulated on the Internet. According to the Interfax news agency, "a large number of armored vehicles" were sighted in the territory of the self-declared "People's Republic" of Donetsk. The Reuters news agency reports that tanks have also been sighted in the "People's Republic" of Donetsk. A Reuters reporter reported that the tank columns had no identification marks. In the days leading up to the invasion, pictures were already circulating showing unmarked Russian military equipment on the Ukrainian border."
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/ukraine-1559.html
5:33 p.m
Russian Federation Council approves military action In view of the tensions in eastern Ukraine, the upper house of the Russian parliament has approved a deployment of troops. The Federation Council voted unanimously for a corresponding order from President Vladimir Putin. The Kremlin boss determines the number of soldiers and the duration of the stationing "abroad," it said. This could set the course for a large-scale attack on Ukraine. The US government is already talking about an invasion, but initially it was not clear how many Russian soldiers were already in eastern Ukraine, which is controlled by pro-Russian rebels.
Its like i come to your house and say its now my house.
Krim and the seperatist provinces are owned by ukraine and russia signed it. You can try to turn it in any way but ukraine is a sovereign country accepted woldwide, so russia has not to send troops into another country. If the seperatist dont want to life in ukraine they can move to russia.All behind this is that russia wants to expand and reetablish the soviet union again, and they will use force also for it, but they will be hit now, communism can go home and will not come back, later the russian population will maybe throw Putin out if they can overcome the russian supressing police state.
"It's about time that someone intervenes and try to stop this ridiculous civil war, that is akin to a cultural purge (derussification some calls it), that Ukrainians have been waging." You should not believe all russian propaganda.
If russia really wants to end the civil war in the seperatist provinces they can vote in the UN for UN troops, but they want to expand so they want to occupy the territory. So russia shows exactly the imperialism that you blame so much.
The second speaker here tells the truth and some guys and others should be a bit more patriotic than listening to lies and russian propaganda:
Also the real point here is russia speculates that ukraine may attack russian forces because they moved into sovereign ukraine territory, so russia has a reason to invade the complete ukraine.
So we will see what history hast next in store for us... will russia stop now or will they continue?
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Aha...new news, truth or the next lie, first sign that russia reconsiders the consequences?:
Moskau: "Im Moment" keine Entsendung von Truppen in die Ostukraine geplant.
Moscow: "Actually no troop deployment to east ukraine planned".
The situation is opaque: On Monday, the Russian President ordered the deployment of soldiers to the areas in Ukraine controlled by the separatists. Then there are reports of tank movements. However, Moscow and Donetsk say there are no Russian soldiers in the conflict zone.
Are the Russian troops there yet?
Status: 02/22/2022 3:56 p.m
Are Russian troops already in eastern Ukraine? The EU firmly believes so. Moscow denies. And there are conflicting statements from the separatists.
"Media reports and videos about armored vehicles Media close to the Kremlin also reported that Russian troops were already in the Donbass. Videos purporting to show Russian armored vehicles in Donbass have been circulated on the Internet. According to the Interfax news agency, "a large number of armored vehicles" were sighted in the territory of the self-declared "People's Republic" of Donetsk. The Reuters news agency reports that tanks have also been sighted in the "People's Republic" of Donetsk. A Reuters reporter reported that the tank columns had no identification marks. In the days leading up to the invasion, pictures were already circulating showing unmarked Russian military equipment on the Ukrainian border."
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/ukraine-1559.html
5:33 p.m
Russian Federation Council approves military action In view of the tensions in eastern Ukraine, the upper house of the Russian parliament has approved a deployment of troops. The Federation Council voted unanimously for a corresponding order from President Vladimir Putin. The Kremlin boss determines the number of soldiers and the duration of the stationing "abroad," it said. This could set the course for a large-scale attack on Ukraine. The US government is already talking about an invasion, but initially it was not clear how many Russian soldiers were already in eastern Ukraine, which is controlled by pro-Russian rebels.
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Well we can't let Russian propaganda brainwash the poor Ukrainians. Only Western propaganda allowed.
I actually have no idea what's goin on there. Just wanna promote better news.
Here's video from Feb 22.
EXPLAINED: Putin MOVES On Ukraine After BIZARRE Speech | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - YouTube
In russia only russian propaganda is allowed, in ukraine russian and western propaganda is allowed, but if you check deep you see there is not much real western propaganda. Yeah russian propaganda likes to tell that or make ppl to believe it.
Yep indeed bizarre but nothing new now putin says he dont wants to restore the soviet union but he said it 20 times in the past.
Nice play and take more territory from time to time, like hitler, there are alot of germans in sudeten germany so we take the country. Krim taken, now next territory taken, if you let go these dictators to far then big problems. Yep history is repeating sometimes... and russia is doing the same now.
Yeah russian propaganda likes to tell that or make ppl to believe it.Yep indeed bizarre but nothing new now putin says he dont wants to restore the soviet union but he said it 20 times in the past.
Nice play and take more territory from time to time, like hitler, there are alot of germans in sudeten germany so we take the country. Krim taken, now next territory taken, if you let go these dictators to far then big problems. Yep history is repeating sometimes... and russia is doing the same now.
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Thunderbrd
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Interesting perspective. I was wondering how it could be justified to call an invasion a peacekeeping effort. Moving in to 'help' your allies in a civil war certainly sets the stage for that kind of argument. All I see taking place is the initiation of all out WWIII and excuses being made to do so. But if we look at it from the lense of cultural border conflicts and whether or not further fracturing sentiments which would create new 'states' that would quickly then merge into a larger neighboring state as provinces of that larger body, and a popular will in those regions to do so, I can see why this may seem like something that can be spun into a logical cause for arms use. That IS a part of the picture that's not being painted here at all so its good to hear from around the world all our many angles and perspectives before we all go up in a nuclear furnace over this. Helps to better understand why. I mean lets face it, the truth here is that Putin still thinks Ukraine is his because he still thinks anything within the original Soviet borders is his and everything else is just arguments to make it more official and get everyone to agree or else die. That there are plenty who already do... well that's the interesting thing about cultural conflicts and propaganda warfare, which Russia is absolutely the master of. But again, it IS a more logical argument than I'd heard so far. And it's incredibly strategic in a way that is designed to win over many hearts and minds to a cause I didn't think could be so well rationalized.
I have to balk a little at this because I don't think Russia is at ALL communist in the slightest anymore. It's just Kleptocracy at its finest and highly capitalized now. But then, I don't think the state that took power in the Soviet Union REALLY cared that much about 'communism' so much as using communism as an excuse to take and wield power.
So as Russia moves in on Ukraine, watch as China takes its que in a week or a month, however long it thinks it needs to see how dedicated we become to addressing the Ukraine situation, before it suddenly strikes into Taiwan.
6:45 p.m
Putin recognizes separatists' claim to entire territories Russian President Vladimir Putin recognizes the separatist regions of Luhansk and Donetsk in their much larger original Ukrainian borders. This means that the territorial claims of the separatists, who so far only control about 32 percent of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, go well beyond the area they have previously administered. This poses a risk of renewed fighting with the Ukrainian government forces that control the rest of the country. Putin said that the leaders in the "Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics," which are recognized as independent states, would have to negotiate with the Ukrainian government. At a press conference, Putin also declared the Minsk peace plan for eastern Ukraine to be over. The agreements would have been superfluous with the recognition of the sovereign states, said Putin.
Yep, and they dream of bringing back the communism and the soviet union now. Some of them want stalin back. And yeah china may use the crisis maybe.
Putin recognizes separatists' claim to entire territories Russian President Vladimir Putin recognizes the separatist regions of Luhansk and Donetsk in their much larger original Ukrainian borders. This means that the territorial claims of the separatists, who so far only control about 32 percent of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, go well beyond the area they have previously administered. This poses a risk of renewed fighting with the Ukrainian government forces that control the rest of the country. Putin said that the leaders in the "Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics," which are recognized as independent states, would have to negotiate with the Ukrainian government. At a press conference, Putin also declared the Minsk peace plan for eastern Ukraine to be over. The agreements would have been superfluous with the recognition of the sovereign states, said Putin.
Yep, and they dream of bringing back the communism and the soviet union now. Some of them want stalin back. And yeah china may use the crisis maybe.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
My point is I don't think communism is the issue. It's just a vehicle or a propaganda - a way to win some minds to a cause. Whether they get that or not is entirely not the point. The point is power and control. Ironically, the argument for communism is that nobody should HAVE that very power and control that people would use the idea to take power and control WITH.
No joke, putin talked also about communism in his TV speech:
"We’re ready to show what a true decommunization would mean for Ukraine!” In this version of history, Ukraine only exists because of communism—and so decommunization means the end of Ukraine."
But maybe you right, maybe they want bring back the soviet union without communism but putin as stalin is enouth.
We will see when the mask falls further...Also he said ukraine is developing nuclear weapons.
Sometimes i think maybe psychic problems.
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Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
He does LOVE to use our own strategies against us. I mean we DID claim that Saddam... well we all know what we claimed.
It's been over for a long time already, Ukraine made it pretty clear early on that they did not intend to honour it. Giving the two regions of Lugansk and Donetsk self-governance as the Minsk agreement stipulated was simply out of the question.
In reaction to Zelinsky stating that unless they are admitted into NATO, they will have to reconsider the Budapest memorandum (a nuclear non-proliferation treaty) in his speech at the Munich Security Conference 19'th of February.Also he said ukraine is developing nuclear weapons.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02...yy-demands-budapest-memorandum-consultations/
I.e. Zelinsky thus pretty much threatened that they will be forced to acquire nuclear weapons if they are not admitted into NATO.
You can see easily that russia is lieing with its propaganda, "We are retreating our forces from the border" showing pictures from retreating troops 
, NATO and private satellite pictures showed the lie that there was no retreat, and then 2 days later these forces ordered to move in or be ready.
As said dont believe all russian propaganda, Lugansk and Donetsk had in fact self-governance or did you see and ukraine troops or ukraine gov in there? Also ukraine forces did not moved into.
If ukraine had nuclear weapons would be good, then russia will not invade to easy, but point is they dont have any now, putin looks for any justification for his aggression. Point still ukraine is a sovereign state and russia signed it on paper but russia is doing all they can to destroy the sovereignty of ukraine. I said enouth about that now, to reetablish the soviet union.
(Ukraine did not attack russia or doing anything that will justify a russian occupation of there sovereign territory, they just dont want to be part of the soviet union, and that is there good right.)
Well also without the claim saddam was an aggressor occupying kuwait, good that he is gone. He also used chemical weapons against civilians and so on. So not a to big deal if the secret service done some wrong reconnaissance on weapons of mass destruction or if it was created, but yes its often so that a nation creates a justification to start a war, but on saddam he did enouth before any justification was needed. No one said other countrys dont did mistakes also, the frenchies had napoleon as an aggressor and russia had stalin, now they have putin. Problem is these guys can be gamed, but in real it will cause problems for millions and if it escalates and we all dont have any electricity power then we cant game C2C anymore.
Here you can see what saddam all did beside any needed justification, you can turn subtitels on:
, NATO and private satellite pictures showed the lie that there was no retreat, and then 2 days later these forces ordered to move in or be ready. As said dont believe all russian propaganda, Lugansk and Donetsk had in fact self-governance or did you see and ukraine troops or ukraine gov in there? Also ukraine forces did not moved into.
If ukraine had nuclear weapons would be good, then russia will not invade to easy, but point is they dont have any now, putin looks for any justification for his aggression. Point still ukraine is a sovereign state and russia signed it on paper but russia is doing all they can to destroy the sovereignty of ukraine. I said enouth about that now, to reetablish the soviet union.
(Ukraine did not attack russia or doing anything that will justify a russian occupation of there sovereign territory, they just dont want to be part of the soviet union, and that is there good right.)
Well also without the claim saddam was an aggressor occupying kuwait, good that he is gone. He also used chemical weapons against civilians and so on. So not a to big deal if the secret service done some wrong reconnaissance on weapons of mass destruction or if it was created, but yes its often so that a nation creates a justification to start a war, but on saddam he did enouth before any justification was needed. No one said other countrys dont did mistakes also, the frenchies had napoleon as an aggressor and russia had stalin, now they have putin. Problem is these guys can be gamed, but in real it will cause problems for millions and if it escalates and we all dont have any electricity power then we cant game C2C anymore.
Here you can see what saddam all did beside any needed justification, you can turn subtitels on:
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Ukraine did not recognize said self-governance, so to the Ukrainians there technically was no self governance, only criminals, terrorists and traitors in a lawless territory.
They clearly did not intend to ever allow those regions self-governance so the agreement was null and void long ago.
As said, there was no ukraine gov or troops so the seperatist had there self gov, i also think it was never said that these provinces are allowed to leave sovereign ukraine territory and it should stay this way.
Also no point that putin will dictate ukraine not to join NATO or move more west and so on, ukraine may do as it wants not as putin likes. As said its like i come to your house and say is my house now and i tell you what you have to do in your house, would you like and accept that?
Then i have a house/property in norway now. I looked a bit deeper into, so minsk agreement only said start a dialog about as it looks like, also on day 1 of withdrawal, the seperatist/russia never withdraw, so all not so clear as told as it looks like:
4. Launch a dialogue, on day 1 of the withdrawal, on modalities of local elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine "On interim local self-government order in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions" as well as on the future regime of these areas based on this law.
Adopt promptly, by no later than 30 days after the date of signing of this document a Resolution of the Parliament of Ukraine specifying the area enjoying a special regime, under the Law of Ukraine "On interim self-government order in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions", based on the line of the Minsk Memorandum of September 19, 2014.
https://www.bpb.de/201881/dokumentation-das-minsker-abkommen-vom-12-februar-2015/
Btw if ukraine did not done this 100% then i can understand them, its ukraine territory not russia supported seperatist territory. So mostly the seperatist dont accepted ukraine law i think and then it was not possible.
And dont forget all that should only happen when:
10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under monitoring of the OSCE. Disarmament of all illegal groups.
That was never done, so putin by it self managed it so that ukraine cant install a full self gov and using it now as a try for a justification.
Also good to know and the real history of russian wars, the guy at 5.40 displays it good:
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Yeah, I guess you're right in that the Minsk agreement was alive and kicking before Russia messed it up by recognizing the independence of the two separatist republics. It is common sense that it takes about 10 years to start a dialogue with the opposition in a conflict, so if Kiev had just had 2-4 more years, I'm sure they would have diligently worked towards establishing dialogue and try to implement the agreement.
One can't expect the weaker side in a conflict that is pressed into a small corner, to withdraw their heavy weapons earlier or more enthusiastically than the strong side that has plenty of space to withdraw to.
Kiev has throughout the conflict been the stronger side, with an airforce, a bigger infantry, and more heavy weaponry. Almost only Kiev has pushed the front line in this civil war.
Even after eight years, there are no good proofs that there has been significant Russian military presence within the separatist regions this entire time, especially regarding their involvement on the front lines, though there's no doubt that there is, and has been Russian presence and support there. Point I'm making is that the suggestion that Kiev is mainly fighting the Russian regular army in Donbass is absurd.
Digression: So you probably think Assad should not attempt any diplomacy with the rebels as long as American troops are within Syria, or perhaps as long as Turkey is occupying Syrian land?
Btw. Assad has many times attempted dialogue with different rebel factions, he's even offered amnesty, but often the American supported ones refuse to meet up consistently demanding that they will only negotiate with the regime if it surrenders fully first (fully adopting the western approach to diplomacy).
Digression2: Gadaffi (or however his name is spelled) was killed by the west for allegedly intending to do what Kiev has done for 8 years with western support, aka wage war against its own people.
Digression3:
A New York Times article by one of their war correspondents I just found, western war correspondence about eastern Ukraine is surprisingly hard to find.
Edit: A similar one from the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ump-is-hard-try-being-a-journalist-in-donetsk
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That is what eastern Ukrainian has been experiencing the last 8 years, Kiev telling them that if they don't accept that their opinion and voice doesn't matters anymore, then they better leave their house and country, as it doesn't belong to them, almost half of the population that opposed the maidan coup, anymore. I.e. Accept repression or leave your ancestral homes.As said its like i come to your house and say is my house now and i tell you what you have to do in your house, would you like and accept that?
Precision, both sides were to start withdrawing their heavy weaponry from the front line during the ceasefire that they were supposed to adhere to.
One can't expect the weaker side in a conflict that is pressed into a small corner, to withdraw their heavy weapons earlier or more enthusiastically than the strong side that has plenty of space to withdraw to.
Kiev has throughout the conflict been the stronger side, with an airforce, a bigger infantry, and more heavy weaponry. Almost only Kiev has pushed the front line in this civil war.
I wouldn't say that is a good excuse to not start dialogue with the opposition in a civil war, first of all, even if Russia did pull all their support to the separatists, Kiev could still claim Russia supports them, and thus always refuse to start a dialogue.
Even after eight years, there are no good proofs that there has been significant Russian military presence within the separatist regions this entire time, especially regarding their involvement on the front lines, though there's no doubt that there is, and has been Russian presence and support there. Point I'm making is that the suggestion that Kiev is mainly fighting the Russian regular army in Donbass is absurd.
Digression: So you probably think Assad should not attempt any diplomacy with the rebels as long as American troops are within Syria, or perhaps as long as Turkey is occupying Syrian land?
Btw. Assad has many times attempted dialogue with different rebel factions, he's even offered amnesty, but often the American supported ones refuse to meet up consistently demanding that they will only negotiate with the regime if it surrenders fully first (fully adopting the western approach to diplomacy).
Digression2: Gadaffi (or however his name is spelled) was killed by the west for allegedly intending to do what Kiev has done for 8 years with western support, aka wage war against its own people.
Digression3:
A New York Times article by one of their war correspondents I just found, western war correspondence about eastern Ukraine is surprisingly hard to find.
Edit: A similar one from the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ump-is-hard-try-being-a-journalist-in-donetsk
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An interesting article from The Hague Times by a UK photojournalist
https://thehaguetimes.com/2021/05/13/dean-obrien-donbass-people-dont-want-to-re-integrate-ukraine/
These three journalists are on an Ukrainian state list over journalists of concern, These where the three first western correspondents covering the other side that I could find after hours of looking, and I simply haven't been able to find war correspondents covering the conflict from the other side that are not branded as enemies of the state in Ukraine.
Interview with Dean O'Brien: Ukraine's "Kill List" and Reporting From the Donbass
The ‘Peacekeeper’ Vigilante Website and Freedom of Speech in Ukraine - Longer analysis related to this by a PhD professor at The University of Ottawa.
}https://thehaguetimes.com/2021/05/13/dean-obrien-donbass-people-dont-want-to-re-integrate-ukraine/
These three journalists are on an Ukrainian state list over journalists of concern, These where the three first western correspondents covering the other side that I could find after hours of looking, and I simply haven't been able to find war correspondents covering the conflict from the other side that are not branded as enemies of the state in Ukraine.
Interview with Dean O'Brien: Ukraine's "Kill List" and Reporting From the Donbass
The ‘Peacekeeper’ Vigilante Website and Freedom of Speech in Ukraine - Longer analysis related to this by a PhD professor at The University of Ottawa.
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I really wonder what China is going to do. As much as they want to mess with the West, all the reasons Putin gives for his "intervention" (if these reasons were true there) could be used against China, especially regarding Taiwan. So what is going to happen if Russia gets cut off both from SWIFT and the Chinese alternative, because I really don't see China supporting Putin's course in the long run?
Of course, this doesn't mean anything about Puting being right or wrong (I think I already gave my reasoning regarding that), but even the "might makes right" motto that Putin seems to be going for could blow up in his face here.
Of course, this doesn't mean anything about Puting being right or wrong (I think I already gave my reasoning regarding that), but even the "might makes right" motto that Putin seems to be going for could blow up in his face here.
