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Reversing the angels and devils as you do, doesn't make it any better. I never said the US or UK were angels, far from it.
And there's the strawman, I haven't really spoken to you, unless you somehow feel you are the mainstream narrative of the west, and I'm not reversing it, I'm only proclaiming that there's grey zones, that there are no angels and demons, no heroes or villains, there's only humans and the world is not black and white like the west acts as if it is.
The west cannot fathom how and why Russia can consider NATO threatening in any way, the west easily dismiss it as a fantasy that no one of consequence really believes, this is the ignorance I'm speaking of. This is also why the west now speak as if Russia will invade Ukraine unprovoked. All I'm saying is that this is nonsense, and one would need to have tunnel vision to not have any critical thoughts around this notion of us good an they bad.

Spoiler This is what all my recent posts have been a response to: :
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To be fair, the major European nations of significance takes turns jumping on and off the good/bad hype train, France and Germany are more off it than most, but most of eastern Europe and the US never step off it, and the UK rarely steps off it too.
 
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Hello Pit2015, I don't know you, I don't mean to offend you.

No problem, but you have to dig a bit deeper and i bet when you live in amsterdam you will be back soon after living one year in china. :)

Yeah i am lucky to life in germany and i am thankfull for it, mostly all nations had there bad times but some delveloped, far away from be perfect, yep US has some big problems.

Well how would a UEM multiplayer with us all work out? With all these different opinions a fast 3. world war. :lol: Raxxo will be destroyed first, he drunk to much and you will make an alliance with china so you get destroyed second. :thumbsup:
 
And there's the strawman, I haven't really spoken to you, unless you somehow feel you are the mainstream narrative of the west, and I'm not reversing it, I'm only proclaiming that there's grey zones, that there are no angels and demons, no heroes or villains, there's only humans and the world is not black and white like the west acts as if it is.
The west cannot fathom how and why Russia can consider NATO threatening in any way, the west easily dismiss it as a fantasy that no one of consequence really believes, this is the ignorance I'm speaking of. This is also why the west now speak as if Russia will invade Ukraine unprovoked. All I'm saying is that this is nonsense, and one would need to have tunnel vision to not have any critical thoughts around this notion of us good an they bad.

Spoiler This is what all my recent posts have been a response to: :
To be fair, the major European nations of significance takes turns jumping on and off the good/bad hype train, France and Germany are more off it than most, but most of eastern Europe and the US never step off it, and the UK rarely steps off it too.

Depends on the humans that currently leading the country, look stalin, he did gulags and modern slavery, he took alot form the west an played friend with the west until he can saved his own ass then he turned against the west to get more. :) Frenchies had napoleon, US had native extermination and so on...
 
And there's the strawman, I haven't really spoken to you, unless you somehow feel you are the mainstream narrative of the west, and I'm not reversing it, I'm only proclaiming that there's grey zones, that there are no angels and demons, no heroes or villains, there's only humans and the world is not black and white like the west acts as if it is.
The west cannot fathom how and why Russia can consider NATO threatening in any way, the west easily dismiss it as a fantasy that no one of consequence really believes, this is the ignorance I'm speaking of. This is also why the west now speak as if Russia will invade Ukraine unprovoked. All I'm saying is that this is nonsense, and one would need to have tunnel vision to not have any critical thoughts around this notion of us good an they bad.

Spoiler This is what all my recent posts have been a response to: :
To be fair, the major European nations of significance takes turns jumping on and off the good/bad hype train, France and Germany are more off it than most, but most of eastern Europe and the US never step off it, and the UK rarely steps off it too.
You quote me to start your post, then claim you're responding to someone else? If you're asserting there's grey zones, why wall-of-text the flaws of the US and remain steadfastly silent on those of Russia? Russia is occupying territory belonging to two of its neighbours, the neighbours have far more right to feel threatened than Russia by NATO. Maybe Russia isn't massing on Ukraine's border? NATO certainly isn't.

Let's discard the angels-and-demons construct, and the grey areas go with it. Russia's "not all bad", but her crimes of occupation are black, not grey, as are those of the US, and everyone else. Russia also has a significantly less legitimate regime.
 
So what will you do when putin or china invades? Will you bow and say "I love you my new leader that i have no food on my table and that you allow me to game C2C only 2 hours a week" or will you fight for you freedom? :)

Btw good old movie: :thumbsup:


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I still have no idea of the basis on which you seem to think Russia's ongoing occupations in Ukraine and Georgia are no big deal, or somehow justified. The wall of text seemed to be about avoiding answering that question.
I haven't really presented that opinion here, but sure, in the big context of things I don't really see them as that big of a deal.
Crimea was annexed peacefully when it became clear that Kiev intended to disperse the civil disobedience in the east militarily, when it became clear that the demand of those doing the civil disobedience (that a re-election had to be held and the previous president had to be allowed to be a candidate) would be denied, when the mainly Russian speaking population of Crimea were likely to face civil war lest they accepted to, in a sense, become second class citizens in their own country.

It also made a lot of strategical sense in regards to Russian national security, to secure their black sea fleet and its bases on crimea when Ukraine were on the verge of collapse.
Kiev cut off the only real fresh water supply that flows in a canal towards Crimea, a crime against humanity for sure, later when severe floods hit Crimea a Ukrainian official joked that "they have asked for water for a long time, and now god has given them too much" (presented as dry humor).
A Crimean asked by a journalist what he thought about the Ukrainian situation and the annexation said he was glad to be outside that mad house.
My main source of news is the BBC world service, I've listened to it every day for 15 years or so, both of the above statements are among the few things I've heard there about Crimea. It's just that I find it really strange that they pretty much never cover the situation in Crimea, must be because they cannot get there one might think, that there's an iron curtain, but then it's even more strange that they never covers this difficulty in getting into Crimea, that they never speak of the iron Curtain.
(Reminds me of the recent refugee crisis where Poland refused a couple thousand refugees passage through their land, as well as refusing all journalists access to the eastern border regions, a couple Norwegian journalist made a case where they with hidden cameras snuck close to the polish border and interviewed a polish family who wished to remain anonymous due to the high political tension and possible reprimand they might face if anyone found out. The strange thing is that no journalist made a case out of the difficulty of getting to the refugees on the Belarus side, it must have been difficult as I didn't hear any refugees interviewed on BBC, maybe they were not allowed by their editor?)

The situation in Ukraine is a tragedy, and it's far from ok, but Russia's role in it is peanuts compared to how the west has decimated country after country, deprived hundreds of thousands from a dignified life and caused immense suffering and strife in such a large portion of the world. The west also played a role in creating the conflict in Ukraine btw, with our full support to an illegitimate coup, promising them that all will be better and fine for them if they managed to sever all ties to Russia, that they ditch the trade deals with Russia in favour of worse deals with the west, but that's ok as they would get unimaginable economical growth by being embraced by Europe, or some such fantasy. Like being part of EU (a trade league) is a golden ticket worth waging civil war over. Of course the Euromaidan movement was lead by euro centric ultra nationalists as well, who immediately started removing the system of multiple official languages in Ukraine by region, taking away the language of almost 50% of it's population, which a large portion of again didn't even know Ukrainian as a second language. Who real quick started removing statues that had ties to Russian culture and history.

Abkhazia and south Ossetia being occupied is a disputed issue, they are frozen conflict zones, and it's naïve to claim the conflict is entirely created by Russia, to say that the inhabitants of Abkhazia doesn't matter, and that Georgia is only a victim.
They are disputed regions that Russia does not technically lay claim on, the inhabitants do not pay taxes to Russia, nor serve in the Russian military, they are considered an independent state by Russia and some others, while most sees them as autonomous regions within Georgia, a bit like the autonomous Zapatista Territories in Mexico. The inhabitants does however receive pensions and other monetary benefits from Russia, and are by Russia considered Citizens living abroad, they have Russian passports because they cannot get Georgian passports and no one will recognize Abkhazian passports for travel.

The west did start the precedence of recognizing the independence of disputed territories with Kosovo where we broke the peace deal terms, that stated that Kosovo was part of Serbia.
Russia is in that sense not that much worse when they take side with military inferior and disgruntled territories like south Ossetia and Abkhazia was/is.

The west has. with impunity, done far worse atrocities and crimes against humanity the last 20 years than Russia have.
 
I haven't really presented that opinion here, but sure, in the big context of things I don't really see them as that big of a deal.
Crimea was annexed peacefully when it became clear that Kiev intended to disperse the civil disobedience in the east militarily, when it became clear that the demand of those doing the civil disobedience (that a re-election had to be held and the previous president had to be allowed to be a candidate) would be denied, when the mainly Russian speaking population of Crimea were likely to face civil war lest they accepted to, in a sense, become second class citizens in their own country.

It also made a lot of strategical sense in regards to Russian national security, to secure their black sea fleet and its bases on crimea when Ukraine were on the verge of collapse.
Kiev cut off the only real fresh water supply that flows in a canal towards Crimea, a crime against humanity for sure, later when severe floods hit Crimea a Ukrainian official joked that "they have asked for water for a long time, and now god has given them too much" (presented as dry humor).
A Crimean asked by a journalist what he thought about the Ukrainian situation and the annexation said he was glad to be outside that mad house.
My main source of news is the BBC world service, I've listened to it every day for 15 years or so, both of the above statements are among the few things I've heard there about Crimea. It's just that I find it really strange that they pretty much never cover the situation in Crimea, must be because they cannot get there one might think, that there's an iron curtain, but then it's even more strange that they never covers this difficulty in getting into Crimea, that they never speak of the iron Curtain.
(Reminds me of the recent refugee crisis where Poland refused a couple thousand refugees passage through their land, as well as refusing all journalists access to the eastern border regions, a couple Norwegian journalist made a case where they with hidden cameras snuck close to the polish border and interviewed a polish family who wished to remain anonymous due to the high political tension and possible reprimand they might face if anyone found out. The strange thing is that no journalist made a case out of the difficulty of getting to the refugees on the Belarus side, it must have been difficult as I didn't hear any refugees interviewed on BBC, maybe they were not allowed by their editor?)

The situation in Ukraine is a tragedy, and it's far from ok, but Russia's role in it is peanuts compared to how the west has decimated country after country, deprived hundreds of thousands from a dignified life and caused immense suffering and strife in such a large portion of the world. The west also played a role in creating the conflict in Ukraine btw, with our full support to an illegitimate coup, promising them that all will be better and fine for them if they managed to sever all ties to Russia, that they ditch the trade deals with Russia in favour of worse deals with the west, but that's ok as they would get unimaginable economical growth by being embraced by Europe, or some such fantasy. Like being part of EU (a trade league) is a golden ticket worth waging civil war over. Of course the Euromaidan movement was lead by euro centric ultra nationalists as well, who immediately started removing the system of multiple official languages in Ukraine by region, taking away the language of almost 50% of it's population, which a large portion of again didn't even know Ukrainian as a second language. Who real quick started removing statues that had ties to Russian culture and history.

Abkhazia and south Ossetia being occupied is a disputed issue, they are frozen conflict zones, and it's naïve to claim the conflict is entirely created by Russia, to say that the inhabitants of Abkhazia doesn't matter, and that Georgia is only a victim.
They are disputed regions that Russia does not technically lay claim on, the inhabitants do not pay taxes to Russia, nor serve in the Russian military, they are considered an independent state by Russia and some others, while most sees them as autonomous regions within Georgia, a bit like the autonomous Zapatista Territories in Mexico. The inhabitants does however receive pensions and other monetary benefits from Russia, and are by Russia considered Citizens living abroad, they have Russian passports because they cannot get Georgian passports and no one will recognize Abkhazian passports for travel.

The west did start the precedence of recognizing the independence of disputed territories with Kosovo where we broke the peace deal terms, that stated that Kosovo was part of Serbia.
Russia is in that sense not that much worse when they take side with military inferior and disgruntled territories like south Ossetia and Abkhazia was/is.

The west has. with impunity, done far worse atrocities and crimes against humanity the last 20 years than Russia have.
Well I only hope everyone sees that for what it was - crap from beginning to end. No wonder you held off on admitting your opinion for so long.
 
You quote me to start your post, then claim you're responding to someone else?
You initiated conversation with me here:
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At this point I had only made one post saying I find it unlikely that Russia is on the verge of invading Ukraine, and I had built up that view by questioning the entirety of the western narrative, and asserted that dismissing any such critique against the mainstream narrative was a dangerous mistake of ignorance.

Since I was not entirely sure what you meant, I started off the reply to you by telling you how I interpreted your reply to me:
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At this point our conversation hasn't really started yet, as I'm still not sure what you mean with what you said at this point, if I was wrong in my assumption about what you meant it would mean that nothing that I said, after the opening hypothesis about what you meant, was directed at you.
I ended my response to you based on the above premise with this:
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Everything in between was a monologue building up to that final response.
And after it I just rambled a bit more for good measure. lol. ^^

This is pretty much the essence of our conversation, which is why I'm surprised that you feel I've expressed some views about what your opinions are or what you have said (
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.... I never said you said so, that's the western narrative I've been talking about from before you initiated conversation about it with me.), I have no idea what your opinions are because we still haven't really started a proper conversation. I haven't yet figured out what you initially said to me really.
 
Well I only hope everyone sees that for what it was - crap from beginning to end. No wonder you held off on admitting your opinion for so long.
I didn't know anyone wanted my opinion on it, all I wanted was to express doubt that Russia will invade Ukraine unprovoked, and to express my general frustration with the western black-white thinking in all geopolitical questions as it seemed relevant the nonsense notion of Russian aggression in a world shaped by western aggression.
 
So what will you do when putin or china invades? Will you bow and say "I love you my new leader that i have no food on my table and that you allow me to game C2C only 2 hours a week" or will you fight for you freedom? :)
I would bide my time and evaluate the situation deeply. An initial plan to provide for people's needs will always be lacking compared to what could happen later and is likely insufficient in particular at first given that supply lines would need to be established. If, in time, I'm eating well, happy with the policies of the current government, I'd be glad I took a wait and see approach.

It's hard to imagine it can get worse than most of my life HAS been from an economic point of view, though I've been able to claw my way towards better (and the capacity for upward mobility is important I think) in the last few years and I'm looking at the possibility that I may now finally have the marketable skills to make so very much more than I am now as an employee and a means to gradually build that business out before I have to rely on it succeeding, which is quite a powerful thing really. That said, this country is truly a ***** to make ends meet in for the vast majority of us and I don't see that changing soon due to the absolute denial of this fact those who 'have' even a little more than the average have about the state of affairs. They're just going around afraid that those who want to make things easier for folks are gunning for them because they have been able to earn their way into the slightest amount of confidence and comfort. So the big scam is that we're taught to fear each other while the fat cats feast and convince us we should worship them.

As a whole, I'd love to see that system brought down. But for an authoritarian state solution that holds us all in a 'well supported' status of social slavery? Ugh.

The utopia I'd like to see is going to have to manifest from a nation that has yet to see the light of day I think. We can all take sides and demonize but we should look hard in our own mirrors when we do and see our own scales, particularly before we arrogantly assume any system is or isn't better or worse until we've really experienced it and find if its truly necessary to violently oppose, politically oppose with peaceful means, or support.

Somehow we have to find the world between Social Darwinism where wealth is the right to survive and thrive, and everlasting childhood where we are supported but have no real opportunities. That's a tall order for us all.
 
Closing to 2000 turns on my current long game, oh the babarians get stronger. :) That may cause some trouble this time...

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Somehow we have to find the world between Social Darwinism where wealth is the right to survive and thrive, and everlasting childhood where we are supported but have no real opportunities. That's a tall order for us all.
Nordics seems to be close to perfectly balanced.
Global mass transit could be good idea, so people, capital and goods can move easily between more and less Darwinist areas without any restrictions.
Probably there are examples in fiction where world is stratified, but its easy to move around.
Once entire earth gets well developed after this controlled mixing you can expand to space if you want challenges. Fully immersive virtual reality also would be option.
 
Yes your take is wrong, and seems to be a lazy rehash of a Chinese propaganda tract.

Yet I was born in a Western country and have been subjected to Western propaganda for over 50 years, I have been in the Middle East and Asia, but never close to China.

About 'lazy'... I have read several books written by US Americans about China and have a genuine daily interest in world politics and economics. I could still be wrong yes, but all the facts and statistics lead me to believe otherwise. I would rather reincarnate in China than in America.

I will stop now since this is all off topic, apologies.
 
Yet I was born in a Western country and have been subjected to Western propaganda for over 50 years, I have been in the Middle East and Asia, but never close to China.
Beijing is the only place outside Europe where I've been while abroad. Seems a bit weird out of context that. My cousin went there to join a shaolin monk temple in the mountains, he never got into the mountains though as he fell in love with a Chinese girl while doing some mandatory schooling in the city, so the monk life suddenly became less attractive to him. I went there to visit him as he lived there for 2 years before returning to Norway, Beijing is a surprisingly calm city considering the population density.
 
Of course someone has a very vested interest fueling conflit between EU and Russia, even proper, if limited, military warfare. If Germany had the political will to be something other than a chief bean counter and France could swallow its pride, and thus the EU could behave rationally and look at a normal relationship with Russia, moving towards a reasonable Eurasian union of trade and presenting the only truly plausible alternative to China and India and the East Coast becoming the center of the world, the US would throw a tantrum and coup all the states they have military bases in. Which is all of the EU except maybe Austria. It's not like we don't know that we are vassal states of the US, we just don't like to say it loud. Of course some are more happy than others with the state of affairs, some border nations resent Russia too much to think straight, but oh well. Russia would also have to accept the EU as a peer and stop dreaming of swallowing it, which will hopefully happen when the Putin era is over, in a few years.
In that regard, the "protection" the US gives us is the bare minimum to keep the deal going, what they've been doing for 30 years now grossly destabilizing ex Yugoslavia fist and then the whole MENA region to keep their military industrial complex making money, at the cost of massive destabilizing migrations waves flooding europe every five years or so, is hopefully the one thing that will break the camel back one day and lead to Germany finally pulling its head out of the ground and accept that they need to lead the EU in more than just bean counting. Hopefully the end of the Merkel era while Macron still has some wind going, can help with that.
Of course a friendly relationship between Russia and the EU is in absolutely no one else's good interests so it's going to be foight tooth and nail by all sides, China first probably, but eventually the EU and Russia will have to realise it's the only natural state of affairs and the most beneficial they can have. We were getting close, after all, then spring revolutions and Ukraine happened out of the blue, with CIA written all over.
 
As i am closing to sedentary lifestyle era some background on stuff you can build in C2C prehistoric era:


 
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SVN 11238 one of my citys has +66 tourism but no tourism income, pedia tells tourism should be there by +10 tourism, bug or is it changed to +100 tourism or missing pedia text "city of population 6 needed" for tourism or barbarian unit in city waters causing this? What is causing the tourism +66 not giving gold?
 
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