C2c_Marketing and PR

[RidetheSpiral23]

A little input...

A major thing that turns a lot of people off is that C2C has too much stuff. I like the idea of having an up to date feature list but maybe organize them into easier to read categories and sum up the features into fewer words. People have short attention spans so it needs to be as brief as possibly while conveying as many interesting features as possible.

 

[Azurian]

A little input...

A major thing that turns a lot of people off is that C2C has too much stuff. I like the idea of having an up to date feature list but maybe organize them into easier to read categories and sum up the features into fewer words. People have short attention spans so it needs to be as brief as possibly while conveying as many interesting features as possible.

I agree with this, have a feature be about 2 sentences max; like ls612 mentioned "show them, not tell them".

 

[ls612]

I agree with this, have a feature be about 2 sentences max; like ls612 mentioned "show them, not tell them".

I think I have a couple of sentences in the FAQs thread describing the major new content additions on top of AND, but you have to play with it to find everything.

 

[RidetheSpiral23]

And a wiki for new users would be sooooooo useful!

 

[Azurian]

And a wiki for new users would be sooooooo useful!

I can create a Wikia if the mod team wants, but people will need to update it.

 

[ls612]

I can create a Wikia if the mod team wants, but people will need to update it.

Let's have the FAQ suffice for now, if people want to know more specifics, they can always look at the civilopedia. However, if you wanted, you could add some entries to the CIV4NewConceptInfos, and write new concept pages for the pedia. The concepts that need a write-up are;

• Crime
• Flammability
• Viewports
• Multi-Maps
• Subdued animals

off the top of my head. That would be far more useful than a wiki IMO.

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Let's have the FAQ suffice for now, if people want to know more specifics, they can always look at the civilopedia. However, if you wanted, you could add some entries to the CIV4NewConceptInfos, and write new concept pages for the pedia. The concepts that need a write-up are;

• Crime
• Flammability
• Viewports
• Multi-Maps
• Subdued animals

off the top of my head. That would be far more useful than a wiki IMO.

Subdued Animals should be in the concepts page, I remember how convaluted it was to get stuff in there.

 

[rightfuture]

This mod has the potential of becoming the best game ever, since it is so ambitious, and so open to include the best of all ideas from all games out there. Please do yourself a favor, and both play it enough to see its existing greatness for yourself, and participate in it's forums at Civfanatics, so that you can add your own voice and guarantee that C2C's ideas can be realized and improved upon even more. You won't be disappointed to find that it is already better than Civ V is and Civ 6 will almost certainly be, AND with your help it can be even greater!

If you are even the least bit interested:
- 1. The creators and compatriots of C2C are working to create such an epic start, with retreating glaciers, exciting events, and such a fresh, reworked and in-depth nomadic start to humanity, that the beginning will by itself seem like a new next generation game and also a living, breathing exploration of prehistory similar to the complex dynamic and fun of living in great speculative novels such as Jean M. Auel's Clan of the Cave Bear, and J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings epic stories.
- 2. People are reworking and improving the mechanics of Civ gameplay itself in almost every way, from rebuilding the code to allow for multi-threaded processes, to designing a complex climate, disease, and weather model, to tailor customizing the Artificial Intelligence to follow the already incredible amount of new and improved details that have been added to the game, and much more. The level of detail and care extends to the love of history, allowing Realistic history and individual time periods to capture your attention like games within themselves, and pull you along in an ever greater story; Diving deep into Practical Realism and allowing you to play your way, even to the point of exploring alternate history and popular fiction.
- 3. The Future in and of Cavemen2Cosmos is even more bright; They are taking their time to explore it correctly and see how far they can reach by adding multiple new Future Eras, and are starting by incorporating great mod explorations like the Final Frontier and Planetfall (Alpha Centauri) mods, they already show as much potential creating the Future as they are by exploring the Future freely, by adding major new features like Multi-Maps, Viewports, Navigable Rivers, Vastly Improved combat and culture, and other new ideas, all while improving the gameplay, and figuring out how to make it deeper and more fun!
The only limit they have is the time and help it takes to make things better. If you want to see just how far they can go, be a part of that level of excitement! Take the best and help make it better.
The goal is nothing less than to make the best game possible.
I personally guarantee and vouch that C2C is worth the time to check it out, especially since I have never had a game capture this much of my attention!
Enjoy it for yourself, and then try to tell me that it won't be better than Civ 6.

(feel free to use your own variation of this and spread the word!)

 

[Nimek]

I think I will wait with PR until v27 will be released.

V26 is too bugy and first feelings are often the last ones.

 

[makotech222]

I agree, Nimek. I think the advertising should wait till after the freeze. You don't want people to be turned off because of balancing and bugs.

 

[rightfuture]

Timely


I am looking to revise and update this thread ASAP,
and I plan on organizing the First Official Marketing Campaign,
as soon as I take care of some much needed modding business.

Does anyone have any other ideas for spreading the word on C2C?
I'm thinking about the 1st Official Marketing Blitz (after v29)!!
to launch the 1st Group Media-Virus > >
I'm going to start with a great marketing slogan to 'Get the Secret Out!'
and with a little help, I can create a truly viral video of C2C with intro, choice gameplay from Let's Play, excellent feature snippets and clips, smart interviews,
and the best pics, ideas, and future possibilities from players and creators, accumulated here.
It might take until v30, but I'm going to do this right!
Let's start with a title, a graphic, and the right epic sweeping music, (yes, I think we should include the intro song.) We can make it feel like an epic movie trailer.
In a world, where you've already played Civ IV Vanilla, and CiV.....

Let's come up with the best post, slogan, marketing phrase for V29 at least, so we can 'Get the Secret Out!!
Please tell everyone what you think of C2C, and be the first one to get our shared Revolutionary Secret Out!!
Don't doubt that C2C is quickly reaching Multi-maps, the Galactic Era, past the Next Level, and Beyond
Please do your part to share your love and Let's get this puppy moving to reach !
Waiting to see, if you can top me!


challenge phrase to come:



Rightfuture
Official C2C -PR & Marketing Director

Caveman2Cosmos - The most awesome ongoing improvement to the best 4x strategy game game ever - Civilization!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=449
(Much, much, much more than a mod to Civ IV, C2C is moving beyond the revolution of even Civ 6!)

Don't keep this unique secret only to yourself - spread the word - and see how amazing C2C can really become!!

 

[Hydromancerx]

I forgot this topic existed. Glad your stepping up rightfuture. I will let you know if I think of any cool ideas for the video.

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[GiuseppeIII]

Sorry for bumping such an old thread.
Also this is my first posts for a couple of months.

Now that I've got that out of the way, right future if you need any help with marketing, getting the word of c2c out there I'll try to help in any way I can.

 

[rightfuture]

Thank you GiuseppeIII!!!
I've been planning the moment to kick this into gear.
I remember how much help you've always been to me and everyone else here.
Always open to hear what you want to share. And Yes we love to hear your voice and get your help!!

I look forward to having the best content possible to share so we can all spread Civ's greatest secret.

I current am looking at 2-3 things to get things kicking.
I am aiming for a test release campaign after v30, and a major push after multi-maps/galactic era makes C2C evolve into C2C 2.0.

1. The Best C2C Signature: I am looking to compose the best Caveman2Cosmos signature statement that everyone can use and get excited and effective responses. This should be 3-6 lines of carefully worded text to maximize C2C greatest features and audience.

2. The best C2C Splashpage: I am also looking to create a post sized splash page for new players to dive into C2C's vast list of amazing features, texture, personality, and living ambition. This isn't a laundry list. It's a launch party celebration of expanding excitement! Enough text to fit into a post and capture attention permanently. What is our best possible greeting?

3. An exciting an Epic video trailer intro to C2C, like a proof of concept that leads people to the best of C2C and what C2C will have to offer! Planning on using the best epic music, lead in intro, movie trailer type crescendo's and spine tingling sweep of building excitement, and a tour through C2C best features, and game-play highlights.

What would you say? How would you say it?
You know you love C2C!
Just what would you personally say to share that with the world for the very first time, because C2C is a viral explosion of sheer awesomeness just waiting to infect!

You can be ground zero. Yes you.
Your honest praise for C2C can take the top off the bottle of mentos and coke.
You can win the lottery for someone looking for the next great game of CIV!
CIVCRACK! SIMCIV! CIV 7.0!
Just tap that vein and get your fix, by sharing the great news!
C2C is a Triple Espresso IV for your CIV Vanilla Latte.
Can't wait to see what we can dream up next!!!

You can inspire the CIVolution!
Your voice and your care inspires Caveman2Cosmos to be the best it can be!
Share the Excitement of C2C, CIV Trans-Infinite right now!
The posts and the future of CIV are waiting for you....

 

[strategyonly]

If you want I can give what ever WINNER you have an OLD Vista PC hows that?? But they pay for Shipping and Handling.

Then have another contest and i can give them my Dell XP Home Prem i used to have also, same thing they pay for S&H.

Great "starter" PC(s) for their kids, infact the Dell was my old PC i did C2C with.

 

[rightfuture]

We need to challenge ourselves to come up with incentives to make C2C even greater!

I have an older xp hp pc (my 1st C2C pc, bought fresh to play it!) that runs C2C, to throw into the mix. Not far from upgrading to an even newer one also. We can custom install the latest version of Caveman2Cosmos and the SVN on them. I've got some awesome free utilities to spice it up. With a basic ssd it would sprint quite nicely. By the time we have the contest, we could have some impressive things to offer. I bet we can make a 'One More Turn' mug and an 'Ask me about CIV 7' t-shirt to power it up.
Comes with an IV bag with the C2C logo on it.
We could even officially put their name into the game as a contributor.

I challenge Everyone to come up with the best idea possible to improve C2C even more!
The added challenge is to see what we can get into C2C this year!

 

[GiuseppeIII]

Well when I found caveman to cosmos I was looking for the ultimate mod, the mod with the most stuff in it. But I couldn't really tell if c2c was the biggest mod (which it certainly is) because the front page hasn't been updated in a while.

So I would suggest that the front page of the main c2c forum say something along the lines of C2C is the biggest mod so far for civilization and it is still being developed!

Then I would first list some of the most staggering numbers (2000 buildings) and new features. Also right down that c2c is an expansion to RoM and AND.

Another point I would like to make is getting more developers. Especially if more people learn about and start plying c2c after the marketing campaign will their be enough people to implement new ideas before they are forgotten, fix bugs, etc. The current modders of c2c do loads of work as is. So it would help if we could somehow get the word out to programmers about c2c to see if they could help out.

Finally the last point I want to make is what turns me off the most and will probably turn other people from c2c.
First is the complexity of the mod but that certainly won't be changed because that is a big part of c2c.
Second is installing the mod. Of somebody could make an autos stalker for c2c it would probably turn a lot more people on to it. I know installing c2c is really as simple as drag and drop, but some people are afraid to even open folders up. With the installer it would be nice if you could choose to add some of the c2c modmods for example SOs extra Civs and the alternate terrains. - I think these things should be in the caveman to cosmos anyway at least as as option which you can turn off in game. Also as a side note, could more things be made into in game options such as having to walk animals back to cities or other things you would normally have to go into the XML to change.

Third is the graphics. I know I started playing c2c after playing civ 5 and the graphic drop is incredible. The only way to improve The graphics though would probably be to wait for the new game engine to be made (if anybody is still working on that, having heard anything about it for awhile)

Thanks for reading my long and messy post

 

[GiuseppeIII]

Also to further what I said in my post about making more things into game options. I don't like to dig into the XML much to change options so if somebody could at least make a list of all the options you have to change in XML and how to do it that would be great. Although I would still rather them be ingame options

 

[rightfuture]

Excellent response!!!

I am sure we will address everyone's concerns and excitements about C2C (and we will in that splashpage).
Making it even better is what we're all about! Feel free to list everything you want to see, and you want to see improved. I bet we can eventually address all of it.

I am quite sure a lot is going on behind the scenes, as it usually does. The breakthroughs of C2C usually happen after quiet pauses of inspired independant work. We should never forget that discussion gets things moving as well.
We should always do more to share progress and invite new ones. And we can continue the conversation of just how to make things even better. After all it is all to make an even better CIV game!
You do realize how much awesome progress has already been made here, right? Even a little more carries us to greatness.

Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that progress isn't happening. We must do everything we can to inspire even more. The main modders can only build so much. That is why I'm stepping up to the modding plate. With Multi-Maps and the Galactic Era, C2C is going to sing like what a next gen Master of Orion should be. An Epic nomadic start to C2C will really catch new players attention. And the evolution of C2C will continue to gain even more momentum, as it hasn't stopped growing even yet! Notice all the new major modders like PrimeOver, GodEmperor, and CivFuhrer who are ready to improve the team. Even players who have watched for a long time are inspired to learn how to mod and step up. This is the greatest year for C2C, and the next is even more promising.

If I have to tear down the walls of the universe and rebuild it from scratch, Caveman2Cosmos will have a chance to really shine it's unique light!

Graphics, and new engine/packaging building from scratch aside, which I think will eventually come around since it is relatively new talk, C2C already has a foundation for great innovation.
Unfortunately even Civ 5 couldn't keep up with the pace that the CIV IV modding community has set. And that is why C2C can still be greater than what we think it can be. CIV IV, ROM, and AND are just hills we stand on. C2C can still be everything we want CIV to become and more! We can still surprise ourselves and do.

I bet more than a few new people would play the C2C Multi-Maps/Galactic Expansion, because it's way more than an official Civ Expansion, it's a whole new future and space game to explore along with the ideal CIV game.
and not to mention Alternate Timelines, a Dimensional and Transcendant era, and beyond??? Just what can you )or anyone else dream up?
I for one am just starting to contribute, and you all have no idea how much I'm capable of just yet. Not to forget any of the others or the new ones we can inspire.
All of the Future, Science Fiction, and Imagination is ours to discover and create.
Explore all of history, including the future, and build a Civilization to stand the test of infinite possibilities, into the ultimate WHAT IF? Can you taste it?
Don't you just want to play it today?
We must let the challenges move us forward, not take us out. Embrace the challenge.
This is our time to have control over how CIV can turn out. We all decide what is possible, even probable.
Who knows if we will we have another great an opportunity as this one truly is.
To make the best dern CIV game we can.
This is our moment. Our chance for greatness together.
This is our chance to make CIV History and to live/play our dreams.
Reach out and add your voice to the choir.
Let our vision soar!

and thank you for reading a few of mine.
Would be glad to partner with you on some code explorations. A lot of it is just editing, and trial and error. Heck anyone is invited to join us. I believe I'm a relatively good teacher as well.
Posting comes after official review of course, so we wouldn't actually change anything important until it's been proven.
Together we can learn to make actual history!

 

[strategyonly]

We can custom install the latest version of Caveman2Cosmos and the SVN on them. I've got some awesome free utilities to spice it up. With a basic ssd it would sprint quite nicely. By the time we have the contest, we could have some impressive things to offer. I bet we can make a 'One More Turn' mug and an 'Ask me about CIV 7' t-shirt to power it up.
Comes with an IV bag with the C2C logo on it.
We could even officially put their name into the game as a contributor.

I challenge Everyone to come up with the best idea possible to improve C2C even more!
The added challenge is to see what we can get into C2C this year!

Your your F'ing talking, WOW

I can go in on alot of the stuff your talking about.

I even am willing to give a Dell 30" TV/Monitor out but only for people willing to make C2C a certain way, Like adding all the python extra's that Tsentom1 had in his modmod.