Calgacus's Quiz On "Celtic" History

Hey, dont give up on the celtic quiz!!! :aargh: :worship: Keep it alive!!! :gripe: In the name of William Wallace dont do it!!!

Well, i guess if you cant keep it alive you could (should) start a new Scotland / Celtic related thread! :drool: :thumbsup:

Scotland Forever!!!
 
OK, two responses . . . albeit over the period of more than a week.

Answer? Well, here is the entry:

"To the Gaels believing in Christ, Palladius, having been ordained by Pope Celestine, is sent as first Bishop"

(Ad Scottos in Christum credentes ordinatus a papa Caelestino Palladius prmius episcopus mittitur)

This is a few decades before the earliest likely arrival of St Patrick. This has led to the controversy of "the Two Patricks".

Prosper's entry suggest that Christians already existed in Ireland by 431, evidently in a sizable enough number to request a bishop. Hence, the idea of Patrick's traditionally ascribed role in the conversion is untenable.

QUESTION 32:

What was the so-called Fían?
 
ronok said:
Wasn't it an all-knowing salmon?

:)

Hah, that was Fintan, who gave his wisdom to Finn Mac Cumhail. Now, the legendary fíanna of the heroic age were associated with this Finn.

However, fían in general refers to a group of (usually) young warriors. It had the function of something like a modern American college fraternity, a place were rich young teenagers would come into manhood, meet many of his future buddies, prove his valor in the community, etc. A boy would enter after his period of fosterage came to an end in his mid-to-late teens, and leave when he was given his inheritance. It was, in one historian's words, "legally licensed juvenile delinquency". They would serve their local king, patrol the borders, hunt in the fringes of the land, and do lots of boyish things. After the first phase of christianity in Ireland, the church became hostile to the fíanna, because 1) the fíanna were immoral, had loads of sex, beat people up, etc; 2) the fíanna operated on the fringes of the land, the very land being acquired for monastic purposes; 3) the fíanna and the chiefly court were associated with many pagan practices, like the employment of druids and satirists, as well as many rituals; churchmen would often refer to them as "mac báis" - meaning "sons of the dead/damned" - which implied that they were destined to Hell (opposite, BTW, was "mac bethad" - the name of the Scottish king known in English as Macbeth); and 4) the fíanna were the people that ordinary people were mostly likely to admire, and thus competed with the church for influence on the popular mind.
The fíanna, their champions and their deeds, are the subjects of a large chunk of native Irish literature.
 
OK. ;)

QUESTION 33:

A 1st century BC stoic philosopher from Apamea in Syria visited Gaul and wrote a huge ethnological history of the Celtic peoples. Tragically, the work is lost, surviving almost only in references in other, later, authors such as Julius Caesar (all though how much is in question here), Diodorus, Athenaeus and Strabo.

Who was this author?
 
Yes MRick, Posidonius of Apamea is correct (Apamea is, yes, in Syria).

The thread is not dead, but no-one was answering any questions, so it went dormant.

QUESTION 34:

Who, in the early 14th century, was crowned as the last "high king of Ireland." What, in brief, was the background to this?
 
Just a try...
one of Robert Bruce's brothers, after Scots forces desembarked in the green island?
 
Yep, following on the success of "Bannock Burn" (1314) in which a Gaelic army had defeated a larger Anglo-Norman cavalry orientated host, King Robert's brother Edouard de Brus was understandably invited by Domnall Ua Neill to become the King of Ireland. Edouard crossed over in May 1315, and was crowned King of Ireland at Dundalk a year later, May 1316. The Scots lhad taken with them approximately 5000 veterans of the Independence Wars, and were soon joined by the Ulster natives. They experienced victory after victory, leaving English rule on the point of collapse. The Scots attacked Dublin, but the Anglo-Irish inhabitants burned part of the city to stop the Scots using it.

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A hideous winter killed many of the soldiers and as well as killing off the general momentum (it prevented the participation of many Irish). The Scots were forced to pillage the land, and alienated many of the southern and central Irish chiefs. Despite the temporary arrival of the great Robert himself with some reinforcements, the Scots and Ulstermen were unable to recover. In October 1318, Edouard was killed and his army beaten at the Battle of Faughart.

Here's a small link for background:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/independence/features_independence_bruce2.shtml
 
gael said:
Bruces great pan-celtic stradagy.

Its was doomed to fail, 'celts' can't agree on anything, not even when it comes to fighting together against a common enemy. ;)

Ah well, such is history. At least they gave it a go, even if it only was for a few years. :blush:

(good to know you're still alive BTW ;) )
 
In December 1282, the head of the defeated Welsh "rebel" Llywelyn was, in the words of one chronicler, brought "to the city of London where Brutus was crowned, placed on a stave and crowned with a crown of ivy and then placed in the Tower of London, in fulfilment of the prophecy of Merlin."

QUESTION 35:

Why did the English authorities do this?

The clue/answer is actually in the question. ;)
 
To realize the 'prophecies' about the Welsh king - crowned with ivy - (maybe even in the poem "Le Roman de Brut") ???
Bonus :lol: : I know that prince Llewelyn had been defeated in the battle of Orewyn Bridge (1282) ;)
 
That's correct Gagliaudo. I don't know if that actual prophecy was in Le Roman de Brut ... but could very well be. It was a popular prophecy amongst the Welsh/Britons and is in the Historia of Galfridus Monemutensis ("Geoffrey of Monmouth").

The Welsh believed that a prince of theirs [usually Arthur] would rise up, expel the Saxons from Britain, and be crowned with in London, the ancient (so they believed) seat of British kings: "They will give back the name to the land. They will call it Britain again [as opposed to England]." To this prophecy, the Welsh hoped to rise up and retake Britain from the "Saxons." So it was, that in this rather grizzly way, the English authorities thought they could fulfil the prophecy whilst remaining in Britain. ;) Another chronicle writes "And so the glory of the Welsh who were once called Britons has been totally transferred [to the English]...And whatever prince of Wales ought to have achieved according to the prophecies [of Merlin] has now been effected by King Edward."
 
wow, I become 'celtic' more and more... :D
well, a few celtic blood must be in my body (I'm from N-W Italia) ;)
 
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