Can not trade gold and gold per turn at the same time

[cshao06]

I'm using only the community patch without CBO. I can't get gold and gold per turn from AI at the same time. I have to trade in either gold or gold per turn. Is this intentional? if so, what's the reason of such a change? If not, is it a bug?

 

[Strigvir]

AI cannot into proper calculation of both at the same time.

 

[Horvath Broncos]

It is a shame that that feature isn't in a game no more. Taking loans from a friend was one of the best reasons to have friends but I also understand that there is a solid reason why it has been cut from the game.

 

[cshao06]

AI cannot into proper calculation of both at the same time.

Can you please fix this problem? I think this is very important in gameplay.

 

[cshao06]

It is a shame that that feature isn't in a game no more. Taking loans from a friend was one of the best reasons to have friends but I also understand that there is a solid reason why it has been cut from the game.

It not all about taking loans. It's more about not being able to sell luxuaries for full price if the ai doesn't have enough gold. I can't compensate the lack of gold with gold per turn.

 

[Horvath Broncos]

It not all about taking loans. It's more about not being able to sell luxuaries for full price if the ai doesn't have enough gold. I can't compensate the lack of gold with gold per turn.

Well that has never been a problem for me personally. Only thing I miss are the loans really.

 

[cshao06]

Well that has never been a problem for me personally. Only thing I miss are the loans really.

I didn't notice taking loans is disabled as well. Yeah, it is even worse that I can't take loans. I wonder if this is a coding issue or an intentional balance change. At least, community patch itself should not include balance changes like this.

 

[Gazebo]

Loans were disabled for exploit reasons.

 

[cshao06]

Loans were disabled for exploit reasons.

How about making the loan based on the relation between player and the AI?

 

[Gazebo]

How about making the loan based on the relation between player and the AI?

It is still exploitative behavior.

 

[Meticulous]

Would not the exploitative potential of loans be something you could deal with in other ways without removing them?

 

[Pfeffersack]

It is still exploitative behavior.

Though I have litte hope that its feasible (your fantastic project too close to completition and probably impossible/too hard to code) and so more out of curiosity...would SMAC model of "eternal debt" (= payments are only suspended if war breaks out to sum it up in a few words) solve the exploit concerns you have in mind?

 

[ElliotS]

Though I have litte hope that its feasible (your fantastic project too close to completition and probably impossible/too hard to code) and so more out of curiosity...would SMAC model of "eternal debt" (= payments are only suspended if war breaks out to sum it up in a few words) solve the exploit concerns you have in mind?

The exploit IS that you can take loans right before declaring war. Even if they added an opinion modifier or made you never get a loan again, it's still an extra burst of gold and an easier war once per game.

 

[cshao06]

It is still exploitative behavior.

Can you please make it an option to turn on/off? I would greatly appreciate it. I think taking loan is one of the most important benefits of making friends with AI. Thank you!