Can somebody explain to me why I'm called 'Caucasian'?

[Traitorfish]

Nope, not at all. Generally, I have no patience for this race silliness that humans try to divide humanity into. "French", "Italian", Irish", "Japanese", it means nothing and I have no respect for that crap.

Except that "French", "Italian", Irish" and "Japanese" are all national, ethnic and cultural terms, and so mean quite a lot. They are, after all, terms representing cultural perceptions of ethnicity, rather than the result of some half-baked pseudo-science. That's why being racially black is irrelevant but being ethnically African-American isn't.
Even if you subscribed to some half-baked master race theory- as you appear to- it's a cold hard fact that ethnicity matters.

 

[bhsup]

I take it you are jewish then? What kind hasidic, sephardic, ashkenazi?

Are there billions of jews?

Christian, not Jewish.

Except that "French", "Italian", Irish" and "Japanese" are all national, ethnic and cultural terms, and so mean quite a lot. They are, after all, terms representing cultural perceptions of ethnicity, rather than the result of some half-baked pseudo-science. That's why being racially black is irrelevant but being ethnically African-American isn't.
Even if you subscribed to some half-baked master race theory- as you appear to- it's a cold hard fact that ethnicity matters.

Did I ever, even once, say "master race"? I didn't even imply it, so if you chose to interpret my post that way, that's your fault. As a matter of fact, I pretty much stated the opposite..."It in no way means I think Jews are supreme or anything and I don't really think they should be treated as our superiors because of this. It's just an acknowledgement that in God's eyes they are his chosen people."

I do agree with you, though, on the nationality front. A citizen of France is indeed French. However, I also consider someone that was born in (random pick) Mongolia but moves and becomes a citizen of France to also be French, and no longer Mongolian. I also do not hyphenate Americans. Frankly that irritates me and makes me suspicious of their loyalties of people proclaim themselves to be Irish-American or Italian-American or whatnot. One is either American or they are not.

 

[warpus]

A citizen of France is indeed French

Preach on brotha!

 

[LesCanadiens]

What VRWC was saying, if I'm not mistaken, was that there is no such thing as race, which is true. Race is a social construct, and biologically does not exist.

 

[Lotus49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

"relating to a broad division of humankind covering peoples from Europe, Western Asia, and parts of India and North Africa" or "white-skinned; of European origin" or "relating to the region of the Caucasus in SE Europe".[

No kidding. Don't you think maybe I looked this up before posting? Point is, it's not applicable, not appropriate and nonsensical. It makes about as much sense as calling the native American tribes 'Indians'. But at least there, you have a misunderstanding which was at least originally thought to be correct.

 

[Swedishguy]

3/8 German
1/8 Lithuanian
1/4 French
3/16 Scottish
1/16 Native American

That's only 1/2. What is the rest?

Quite a multicultural family you have.

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

That's only 1/2. What is the rest?

What kind of math do you learn in Sweden?

 

[sourboy]

No kidding. Don't you think maybe I looked this up before posting? Point is, it's not applicable, not appropriate and nonsensical. It makes about as much sense as calling the native American tribes 'Indians'. But at least there, you have a misunderstanding which was at least originally thought to be correct.

What's a "driveway"? What's a "parkway"?

What do you do on them?

Not everything makes sense in literal definition or translation. It's based on a description a la those in power (who, let's face it, aren't always the brightest) or based on convenience.

It's socially accepted that "caucasion" includes white skinned people. To ask why? well... why call 1, "one"?

communication.

 

[Masquerouge]

And of course, to top it off, I could actually check anything I wanted on those silly forms, without any sort of enforcement. Even more useless.

 

[zenspiderz]

Christian, not Jewish.

No offence intended but that makes you even more of a nutjob. You keep saying jews are the chosen ones. But one must ask 'chosen' for what exactly?

 

[zenspiderz]

What VRWC was saying, if I'm not mistaken, was that there is no such thing as race, which is true. Race is a social construct, and biologically does not exist.

You are mistaken he said that there are two races; jew and non-jew/ 'chosen' and 'not-chosen'. Actually this is pretty silly as judaism despite its racial pretensions is only an ideology or religion not a race. Lots of jews don't have any genetic relation to Abraham/Ibrahim and lots of people who are descended from abraham/ibrahim are not considered to be jews (arabs for one example). Therefore to use the term jew as a racial designator is incorrect and stupid.

Race is a social construct but there are some biological underpinnings to it. The biological characteristics may be superficial but they are there none-the-less.

 

[bhsup]

You are mistaken he said that there are two races; jew and non-jew/ 'chosen' and 'not-chosen'.

Zen is correct here, that's what I said.

Actually this is pretty silly as judaism despite its racial pretensions is only an ideology or religion not a race.

And here is where zen is wrong. I did not say "Judaism", I said "Jew". Perhaps I should have said "Israelite" instead, so that could by considered my fault. I never mentioned Judaism at all. Yes, most Israelites are Jewish, but that's irrelevant.

Lots of jews don't have any genetic relation to Abraham/Ibrahim and lots of people who are descended from abraham/ibrahim are not considered to be jews (arabs for one example).

The sons of Ishmail are not the chosen people. The sons of Jacob, also known as Israel (hence Israelites) are. The twelve tribes. So your comment about Arabs is both irrelevant and wrong.

Therefore to use the term jew as a racial designator is incorrect and stupid.

Yes and no. It's complex as it can refer to someone of the twelve tribes, a citizen of Israel today, someone practicing Judaism, etc. In that respect, you do have a point and as I said above, I probably should have used the term Israelite instead. Apologies for that.

Race is a social construct but there are some biological underpinnings to it. The biological characteristics may be superficial but they are there none-the-less.

And none-the-less meaningless in every conceivable way other than some medical issues where some people with certain genetic makeups are more or less resistant to certain diseases and so forth.

 

[holy king]

lol, open up a thread related to the topic "race" and you'll have funny postings about aryans and the jews as the chosen people in no time...

 

[Traitorfish]

Did I ever, even once, say "master race"? I didn't even imply it, so if you chose to interpret my post that way, that's your fault.

I'm pretty sure that declaring a particular ethnic group to be "God's chosen people" implies a belief in some sort of superiority on their part.

As a matter of fact, I pretty much stated the opposite..."It in no way means I think Jews are supreme or anything and I don't really think they should be treated as our superiors because of this. It's just an acknowledgement that in God's eyes they are his chosen people."

Which is either a logical inconsistency or just a lie to make yourself seem reasonable. Your choice.

I do agree with you, though, on the nationality front. A citizen of France is indeed French. However, I also consider someone that was born in (random pick) Mongolia but moves and becomes a citizen of France to also be French, and no longer Mongolian. I also do not hyphenate Americans. Frankly that irritates me and makes me suspicious of their loyalties of people proclaim themselves to be Irish-American or Italian-American or whatnot. One is either American or they are not.

But what you're doing there is confusing nationality with ethnicity. I, for example, am nationally British but ethnically Irish-Scots. I know people who are nationally British and are ethnically Italian, Polish, Indian, Chinese or some other non-British ethnicity, as well as, of course, plenty of people who are of a British ethnicity.
Ethnicity exists, and it matters. A Mongolian moving to France still retains Mongolian culture, religion etc. They do not become a born-and-bred Frenchman overnight. That can take generations. Hell, my family have been here for over a century and we still maintain a distinct ethnic identity, however slight the day-to-day effects of that identity are.
After all, you're presenting "Jews" as an ethnic group, correct? Despite the fact that there is no such place as "Jewland". Closest you have is Israeli, but not all Israelis are Jews, and a minority of Jews are Israeli. Again, a logical inconsistency.

It's socially accepted that "caucasion" includes white skinned people.

Sure, in the US, where race science was never discredited to the same extent it was in Europe (Nazism'll do that...), but over here- and everywhere else, for that matter- "Caucasian" has retained it's literal meaning of "someone from the Caucasus". An British person claiming to be Caucasian would be regarded in the same way as a Russian claiming to be "Iberian".

 

[bhsup]

Erm, Traitorfish, I think there is some misconception here. I never claimed that -I- am one of God's chosen. I am not a descendant of Jacob, so how could I have declared myself to be one of God's chosen people? That aside, I don't accept your assumption that doing so would be a superiority complex anyway.

 

[Traitorfish]

Erm, Traitorfish, I think there is some misconception here. I never claimed that -I- am one of God's chosen. I am not a descendant of Jacob, so how could I have declared myself to be one of God's chosen people? That aside, I don't accept your assumption that doing so would be a superiority complex anyway.

Yes, I changed that bit after remembering that you'd said you weren't Jewish. My apologies.

Either way, you haven't disproven the points I made- that declaring a particular race "chosen" implies superiority and that ethnicity extends beyond mere nationality.

 

[zenspiderz]

For what purpose are these people claimed to be 'chosen'? Does anyone know?

 

[warpus]

Erm, Traitorfish, I think there is some misconception here. I never claimed that -I- am one of God's chosen. I am not a descendant of Jacob, so how could I have declared myself to be one of God's chosen people? That aside, I don't accept your assumption that doing so would be a superiority complex anyway.

VRWCAgent, I choose you.

 

[zenspiderz]

The sons of Ishmail are not the chosen people. The sons of Jacob, also known as Israel (hence Israelites) are. The twelve tribes. So your comment about Arabs is both irrelevant and wrong.

So who is Jacob and what properties of himself and his semen are so holy that it is not shared by his brother Ishmail according to the mythology you have adopted?

 

[zenspiderz]

I just found a quote with bearing on the issue of whether jews qualify as a race or not.

"The customs of the Jews are base and abominable and owe their persistence to their depravity. Jews are extremely loyal to one another, always ready to show compassion, but towards every other people they feel only hate and enimity. As a race (the Jews are not a race, because they have mingled with the other races to the point that they are only a people, not a race), they are prone to lust; among themselves nothing is unlawful." (Roman Historian Tacitus)