Cavaleiros Embassy

[azzaman333]

Just to disclose, I had to read through it a couple of times before I realised that what it was, hence my edit in post #132 after it triggered what it was.

 

[Memphus]

Great....Just Great.

Well look at this another way, if it is ruled the information can't be used, then Cav has effectively (intentionally or unitentionally) taken out a serious competitor in this game if all the members who have read the info are supposed to forget it (A.K.A. drop the MTDG and not comment).

Do you thing in Real Life if you sent a messenger to the wrong person he would not use that information? I am very anxious to see the Admin's ruling on this.

 

[General_W]

I highly doubt the Admins are going to punish us for Oyzar's mistake.
Still, it's best to get approval before going on. We don't want to provoke a nasty fight in the UN.

 

[Krill]

Actually, we can't provoke a fight; it'd have to be the other teams that would be start it after Cavs provoked it with the screw up. Though going on past precedents, we should be in the clear. Though telling us to not discuss it would be possibly the fastest way to kill a team I've seen in a long time.

 

[IamJohn]

Actually, we can't provoke a fight; it'd have to be the other teams that would be start it after Cavs provoked it with the screw up. Though going on past precedents, we should be in the clear. Though telling us to not discuss it would be possibly the fastest way to kill a team I've seen in a long time.

My person in the matter is that they are the ones makingbthe mistake, they should be the ones to pay the price, not us....

 

[Ronnie1]

I agree with IamJohn!

EDIT: Someone please email/PM the letter to me so I can catch up!

 

[Krill]

it's still in the team email address...

 

[General_W]

Chatting with Niklas from the Cavs.
Odd - he hasn't said anything about the mishap with Ozyar. I wonder if he hasn't told his team!?

For what it's worth - just so you all know - if I ever make a major mistake like that, I'll let all of you know right away.
But I've taken steps to ensure I don't ever do that! Yikes.

I'll post the chat when we're done.

 

[General_W]

Here’s the chat – we’re on break while he walks the dogs.
Hopefully I’ll still be here when he gets back… we’ll see!

Most important part is at the end. Would appreciate speedy feedback from anyone who finds this in time.

Spoiler :

Niklas:
good evening
General_W:
hey
Niklas:
I can't believe I haven't gotten around to adding you on MSN before
Niklas:
two quick questions for you
General_W:
go for it
Niklas:
one, where are we on a possible agreement? we're up, and our explorer is stuck...
General_W:
let me look
General_W:
well - we've got the seed of a counter-offer it looks like.
Niklas:
oh - what's the ETA on that then?
General_W:
uhm... couple days, I'd guess. Hopefully before the save gets back around to you
General_W:
we only got your letter yesterday
Niklas:
the save is with us right now...
General_W:
should I remind you how long it took for you to get back to us?
Niklas:
sure - but if you wanted to say that we could go ahead with the OB while discussing the tech trade, we wouldn't mind...
Niklas:
no need, I'm well aware, off the record things haven't been going so well on our side lately
Niklas:
I don't mean ingame, I mean participation-wise
General_W:
ah - sorry to hear that.
Niklas:
I've personally had one of those busy spells as you know, so now that I've gotten back I've had to whip a few people into action
Niklas:
and it seems to have work, thankfully
General_W:
lol
General_W:
nice
Niklas:
so the letter you got was one result of that
General_W:
well - I can pretty much definitively tell you that we're going to let Open Borders go for free.
Niklas:

General_W:
it's worth WAY more to you than to us - and you haven't exactly been strewing flower petals in our path to make us think you'll do us a favor in the future if we're trusting now.
General_W:
So I hope this doesn't come across as hardball... but you guys have been pretty.... "uncooperative" (not quite the right word)
Niklas:
that's true, though I honestly don't understand why we are at peace anyway
Niklas:
at any rate, if you could give us OB this turn it would certainly generate some good will on our side
General_W:
If you gift us writing this turn (an incredibly cheap tech now) that will generate some good will on our side!
General_W:

Niklas:
I need to be to take a walk with the dogs now, we can keep talking when I get back if you're still around
General_W:
ok. have a nice walk!
Niklas:
if you were to agree to a deal Alpha for MC, then I'm sure we wouldn't mind putting Writing on the table as well, though obviously that's nothing official, just my personal thought
Niklas:
anyway, thanks, and cya in a bit

 

[Krill]

no, we get writing in 1 turn now, it's not worth OB anymore.

Offer them sailing and OB for alpha next turn?

 

[Ginger_Ale]

Guys, it's not your fault that another team (mistakenly or not) sent you an email. If they send it to you, that's on them -- so, yes, you can use the info from the email if you wish, though you probably want to consider that your opponent now may change their plans. That is, you can't count on them to follow what they wrote exactly!

Let me know if you have other comments...

 

[Krill]

From Cavs to MS, possible misinfomation.

Greetings from your friendly allies os Cavalieros:

We are glad to see that you have the ability to build boats that can
carry men and more importantly trade along the coast. We would benefit
greatly from having this ability, so we would like to receive the
secrets of sailing this very turn. We can give you Monarchy in return
to fool SANCTA, though they can't actually see exactly what techs you
have without either of you having Alphabet. And surely your people
must be unhappy about not seeing the benefits of units stationed in
your cities?

Since we are all close to or have just researched a new technology
what to research next becomes an important issue. We will finish Maths
next turn. After that the most important technology for us all is
clearly Civil Service. Kazakstan will likely handle that as they
research faster than either of us. They have finished CoL and are now
doing Masonry -> Monotheism to deny our adversaries the bonus of a
religion. If they agree to do Civil Service next, we will likely go
for Currency. This technology would greatly improve trade relations
between our nations and as such speed up technology advancement
significantly (though not quite as significantly as the Bureaucracy
from Civil Service allows).

There are of course some options for what technology you can research
next, and we would be most interested in hearing your thoughts on the
matter. Kazakstan want to deny the Great Library from SANCTA while
also getting it for themselves, because of their Philosophical trait.
Since the most important economic techs should already be taken care
off, maybe heading for Aesthetics and then Literature for the wonders
they provide is an idea for you? Another idea would be to go for
Construction or Calendar, but we are in no need for either of those
techs currently, especially not considering the happiness from HR.
Other possibilities include Feudalism, Philosophy, Theology, Archery
and Metal Casting, but we don't think any of those techs are urgent at
this point.

Regarding wonders, do you have any plans to build any currently? We
are planning to build the Great Wall to keep annoying barbs out of our
territory as it is hard to prevent them from spawning with all the
mountains in the way. We are also planning to build the Hanging
Gardens fairly soon. As mentioned Kaz is hoping to build the Great
Library, but they haven't mentioned any others. We belive SANCTA are
aiming to build Colossus at least.

We hope to be able to fool SANCTA into trading us Metal Casting for
Alphabet. Alphabet is nearly useless by itself, so giving them that
doesn't hurt us much, but getting Metal Casting would save us
siginifcant beakers at some point. SANCTA also have yet to meet Saturn
and as such can't utilize it properly. What do you think of this idea?

Cooperation forever,
oyzar dos Cavaleiros

 

[General_W]

Thanks GA!
And thanks for posting Krill.

ok guys - sorry, but I'm going off the grid now.
I sent this to Niklas:

ok - looks like we're getting writing next turn on our own. (now look at who's out of the loop! lol) so scratch that off the table.

crud - I gotta run now. will be off the grid for at least 2 horus.

pleasure as always. Chat more later.

 

[Memphus]

yup i am good for sailing for ALPHA and OB

 

[Krill]

Just wondering, because I know (some of) the reasoning behind it, but why did you say we were likely to let OB go for free?

 

[AutomatedTeller]

Only question is... do we tell oyzar that members of our team had read the email and thus we decided to read it as a team? Or do we tell him that we did not read it at first?

Me, I think we just tell them "you sent it to us..."

 

[Ronnie1]

Just wondering, because I know (some of) the reasoning behind it, but why did you say we were likely to let OB go for free?

From context I think he meant to say NOT for free.

 

[Ronnie1]

Only question is... do we tell oyzar that members of our team had read the email and thus we decided to read it as a team? Or do we tell him that we did not read it at first?

Me, I think we just tell them "you sent it to us..."

I agree completely here!.....or we don't say shttttt!

 

[Memphus]

ok so I think we should send that Cav letter to Kaz and MS. exploit how dumb Cav is and try to turn them!

or we deny we read it haha yeah right like anyone would believe that

 

[Krill]

from context...but that's not what was written. I look forward to the burning of their workboat.