Censorship in the trailer

[Ryika]

It's probably a bit of both. People who are against the nipple because of old-fashioned views exist just as much as people who are against the nipple because they view any sort of material depicting women as oppression by "the male gaze".

Both are equally stupid of course and lead to the same idiotic idea, that we somehow have to hide our bodies when it should be perfectly fine to depict naked people in art - yes, I'm including primary reproductive organs here - in a non-erotic manner without automatically making it adult material.

 

[Haig]

You should come here to Finland and try out some sauna followed by running into the lake all naked. Yes - we are forest people.

(breast-related historic fact: by all eye-witness accounts, Jeanne D'Arc was very very busty)

 

[dexters]

Hated the censorship but understandable

 

[Gorbles]

It's probably a bit of both. People who are against the nipple because of old-fashioned views exist just as much as people who are against the nipple because they view any sort of material depicting women as oppression by "the male gaze".

Both are equally stupid of course and lead to the same idiotic idea, that we somehow have to hide our bodies when it should be perfectly fine to depict naked people in art - yes, I'm including primary reproductive organs here - in a non-erotic manner without automatically making it adult material.

Sure, but only one of those groups tends to be making legislation, by dint of being old-fashioned and thus established. See: current fun in America (conservatives from both major parties signing anti-trans laws just to spite the current SCOTUS. Rooted in old-fashioned views, to put it politely). But that's probably too political for this thread.

Certainly, in the greater sense, pornographic laws are dated and old-fashioned, which is what drives these kinds of rulings. There's very few distinctions between digital and physical content, and as such they often unfortunately get lumped together.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

America...

As someone has already noted, this video would not make it Facebook and some other social media where nipples are prohibited by Terms of Use.

But you are welcome to not purchase the game and stop using Facebook.

It's probably a bit of both. People who are against the nipple because of old-fashioned views exist just as much as people who are against the nipple because they view any sort of material depicting women as oppression by "the male gaze".

Both are equally stupid of course and lead to the same idiotic idea, that we somehow have to hide our bodies when it should be perfectly fine to depict naked people in art - yes, I'm including primary reproductive organs here - in a non-erotic manner without automatically making it adult material.

What about the male gaze? It is being exercised on these boards extensively.

 

[m15a]

I'm not sure how much laws are a factor since showing the painting non-blurred wouldn't be even close to illegal in the main places the trailer is targeting. The restrictions of social networks like Facebook and Instagram technically don't apply either, but since those network's own rules aren't enforced 100% properly (because of algorithm flaws or user error or whatever), it could still be a factor.

 

[Ryika]

Sure, but only one of those groups tends to be making legislation, by dint of being old-fashioned and thus established. See: current fun in America (conservatives from both major parties signing anti-trans laws just to spite the current SCOTUS. Rooted in old-fashioned views, to put it politely). But that's probably too political for this thread.

There's certainly a strong trend going into that direction, but as an absolute it's false. See the UKs ban on the production of certain pornographic material, including Spanking and "Aggressive Whipping" coming from a lefty government, as an obvious example.

And of course you do not need to be able to legislate to censor things, if you have the social power to push people into self-censorship that's all the power you need.

What about the male gaze?

Well, it (as used in feminist theory) doesn't exist. ^^

 

[AriochIV]

I noticed it, thought it was silly (don't use the painting if it bothers you), and didn't think about it again.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Well, it (as used in feminist theory) doesn't exist.

It does.

 

[Erudain]

The point kinda is, why use that painting if you are going to censor it?.....there are lots of other famous paintings about revolutions which woudn't need to be censored (top of my head, "The Third of May" by Goya)

 

[m15a]

The point kinda is, why use that painting if you are going to censor it?.....there are lots of other famous paintings about revolutions which woudn't need to be censored (top of my head, "The Third of May" by Goya)

Probably because more than one person (or group) was involved in making the video. I'm guessing some people made the video and then someone else told them to blur it or else just did it themselves.

 

[Gorbles]

There's certainly a strong trend going into that direction, but as an absolute it's false. See the UKs ban on the production of certain pornographic material, including Spanking and "Aggressive Whipping" coming from a lefty government, as an obvious example.

And of course you do not need to be able to legislate to censor things, if you have the social power to push people into self-censorship that's all the power you need.

Sure, but we're not discussing social power here. We're discussing why an international company chose to do something with its promotional material. Which probably, quite simply, involves law. Otherwise there's very little point in making any changes.

As for the UK, it has no left-leaning governments. The Green Party would kinda count if they could ever write effective policy, but the Tories are definitely right-leaning and Labout are sadly following them from the centre-right. Corbyn's an exception but he's had to deal with an excessive amount of targeted political violence since rising to significance.

At a guess you're referring to this (which is the first hit for "aggressive whipping banned UK" on Google):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

Passed in 2014, that would've been the joint Coalition government which was primarily lead by the Conservative party (the Tories). Reported on the Independent; I'm not sure if that counts as a left-leaning paper but it's definitely more sympathetic to Labour than the Conservatives in recent years. So a left-sympathetic paper reporting on a law passed by a right-leaning government! We're definitely getting off-topic here, but as a Brit I often see my country's government misrepresented online. So I thought I'd clear it up!

 

[Minor Annoyance]

There's plenty of other nipples on the internet.

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[stiiknafuulia]

Considering Firaxis is a large company, there's only one possible logic that can apply here.

a) If you don't censor it, a not insignificant amount of people might not buy the game (edit: also legal trouble possible in some places, plus the whole Facebook issue);
b) If you do censor it, almost no one will refuse to buy the game because of this (and you can show the vid everywhere without problems).

Given these options, you'd go with 'b' every time.

As to why they didn't use a different painting to avoid this problem altogether, beats me. Probably they only thought about the whole issue after the work was already finished (or close to), and then went 'remake it? nah, why bother, just blur it a little bit'. My guess is that a French guy/girl made that part of the video...

 

[cakes]

they simplified the art style of the painting to save on processing times

 

[Callonia]

I have noticed the censorship as well. I was slightly upset at firaxis for it. Sometimes I feel like censorship is more common than when I was a kid but.... to be honest, I'm cannot offer an unbiased viewpoint. I wasn't that bright of a kid.

 

[GenyaArikado]

Im pretty sure the censorship rules dont apply to art pieces like this, so it was just silliness

 

[cakes]

i'm more offended that two of the three artworks in the trailer were 19th century oil painting!