CFC Off Topic Turned Me Into a Fascist
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aelf
Ashen One
It's quite obvious that I'm not talking about you, isn't it?
Huayna Capac357
Deity
1. That painting is a beuatiful and tragic masterpiece. I'm assuming you're just ignorant/
2. Troll. None of us support North Korea.
Zardnaar
Deity
It is kinda interesting to see peoples reactions to my views even though the commies and socialists killed far more people than the Nazis ever did. Social experiment see what happens if you walk down the street wearing a swastika t-shirt or a hammer and sickle one. So much for liberal tolerence and understanding huh? I love me some double standards.
Liberialism 101.
1. Give me more government money.
2. I'll do what feels good, blame someone else for the consequences of my actions.
Liberialism 101.
1. Give me more government money.
2. I'll do what feels good, blame someone else for the consequences of my actions.
Ecofarm
Deity
Zard might not understand fascism, but he's got liberalism pegged!
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
That's heavily oversimplified and generally incorrect.
For 1, there is the fact that money is not handed out to whoever asks for it; you must have a genuine need. Whatever happened to helping the poor and needy, and "What you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me"?
For 2, Self gratification is a sad fact of society period, whether left, right, up or down. I can say the same thing towards large corporations.
For 1, there is the fact that money is not handed out to whoever asks for it; you must have a genuine need. Whatever happened to helping the poor and needy, and "What you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me"?
For 2, Self gratification is a sad fact of society period, whether left, right, up or down. I can say the same thing towards large corporations.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
There is a large commie community. Myself, Cheezy, luce/Richard Cribb, civ otaku, just to name a few.
EDIT:
Zard, liberalism = belief in an open society with a free market
All libertarians are liberals, but not all liberals are libertarians.
Zardnaar
Deity
Yeah but Stalin wasn't a commie I bet according to the people here. I beleive in a more modern version of Fascism based on the 30's model but without the racial hate as personified by the Nazis. A strong authoritarian government, non- democratic, where human rights are only applied to those who deserve it while degenerates (murderers, rapist, gang members) can be send off to labour camps for the rest of time. Scum get excuted (serial killers, repeat chid rapists, Bermie Madoff types).
Ecofarm
Deity
Can we smoke weed?
Picasso's paintings are hideous.
LesCanadiens supports North Korea. But I'm not really talking about this forum specifically. And no, I'm not a troll.
I was serious. And there are plenty of Commies on this forum. Which is sad.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
I already stated that Stalinism is more Commufascism than Communism. If we're going by a bidirectional line, it gets confusing. Which is why something like the Political Compass is far more useful.
There has never been a true Communist government. Only perversions of it.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
Stalin's methods were bloody and sometimes despicable, but collectivization and the 5 Year Plans were necessary. Could he have gone about them without killing 30 million people (less than Hitler BTW) ? Yes. But were these things necessary? Yes. I don't want to sound like a fascist, but Stalin =/= Hitler.
And anyway Richard Cribb/luce and Cheezy are on record supporting some of Stalin's policies, so certainly the commie community considers him a commie. Certainly a deplorable one at times, but a commie nonetheless.
And anyway Richard Cribb/luce and Cheezy are on record supporting some of Stalin's policies, so certainly the commie community considers him a commie. Certainly a deplorable one at times, but a commie nonetheless.
Ecofarm
Deity
I don't think Cheezy considers Stalin a commie.
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No, they were not. Industrialization was necessary, but what was achieved (i.e. turning the agricultural economy toward industrial development) via bloody collectivization could have been achieved through a simple regime of taxation on agriculture, and the destruction and conflict of collectivization could have been avoided all together. Privately controlled and perhaps to a degree state-supported agriculture would have been more effiecient and could have continued to feed the USSR, instead the USSR became depedent on food imports (and when the price of energy dropped and the price food tripled, the energy exporting USSR was in trouble).
Again. There is no overarching fascist economic program, at least it is quite ambiguous and changed radically with the times. Even the National Socialists and Fascists sort of admitted that they don't have a cohorent economic policy. Their program was above all political: military conquest of colonies and lebensraum, and a return to glory, whether in the East (as Germans planned) or in the Mediterranean (as Italians planned).
And you ignore the utter economic and social failures of the fascist regimes. The reason why the Third Reich and the Fascist Italy were so oppressive and aggressive was not because they were so well run and successful, but because they were dismally failing, and needed a path out of their failures, and that was war. Germany and Italy could have been well run economies had social democrats or other reasonable parties come to power.
As for massacring or mistreating what you call "degenerates", there is no social study or anything that supports such treatment as a viable solution. Murderers, major fraudsters, rapists, etc can be all be rehabilitated and should be because it tends to be more affordable and helps to prevent future crime (as children are left with their parents, etc). Prison and containment, in my opinion, should not be used to "punish" people, i.e. to take revenge, but only used to protect the society from these criminals and to protect the criminal from himself. As soon as the criminal becomes less of a threat, he should be released or put into a different treatment regime. In my opinion, any victim who thinks the justice system should be used to take revenge on the wrongdoers needs therapy.
aelf
Ashen One
Congratulations, you made a reasonable observation, at least.
However, that doesn't make them "garbage".
Zardnaar
Deity
Hitler didn't kill anywhere close to 30 million unless you want to blame all the combat casualties of WW2 on him. Then you can start playing the blame game ie the French from 1919 which fueld the Nazi rise. You could also blame the Communists who tried a revolution in 1920 in Germany as the German far right was a reaction to that. How many people did Hitler kill in peacetime compared to the commies, and don't forget about the 10-40 million Mao killed off, or the pre and post Stalin death toll and Pol Pot, and North Korea. Not many died in Fascist Italy, Spain or Romania by comparison.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
Well, there weren't very many people in Italy, Spain, or Romania. Or at least not as many.
Zardnaar
Deity
Its the type of thing you will never stamp out. Over here you could just go and arrest all the gang members for selling it and turn a blind eye to the casual smokers. In my ideal state anyone requiring state funded healthcare or welfare would be subjected to a drugs test like a worker has to do. Failure to pass would mean no welfare or health care. You could do it but have to accept the consequences for your actions.
