Godwynn
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I don't go to school
Trust me, I knew this already.
CFC Off Topic Turned Me Into a Fascist
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Trust me, I knew this already.
Yeah, but I'm not sure everybody knows it. Some Europeans are always whining about how their native rasist squirrels are being outbread by American liberal squirrels (squirrels breed like crazy at public schools) but maybe not all members were aware?
Quackers
The Frog
Nationalisation is left-wing btw. Thatcher privatised industry in the 1980s whilst labour (left-wing) wanted to keep it.
Ecofarm
Deity
Any time property is nationalized, it happens under the left-wing economic banner. Period.
RedRalph
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I await Dachs or Cheezy pointing out about a zillion times this has been proven false.
Examples?
Ecofarm
Deity
Nazi Germany, Venezuela, socialist healthcare in Europe...
Sweden, Norway, Spain, Zimbabwe...
Various other south and central american hellholes...
CCP, Pol Pot, Mao...
You name it. When the government is grabbing up private property... it is under a leftwing banner, complete with the buzz-phrases 'wealth reditribution', 'worker's rights' and 'think about the children'.
Countries today are considered socialist-leaning depending on the GDP percentage that is government controlled.
Right-wing is all free-markety... remember?
Once again, let's note that we are discussing economic wings, not social policy.
Sweden, Norway, Spain, Zimbabwe...
Various other south and central american hellholes...
CCP, Pol Pot, Mao...
You name it. When the government is grabbing up private property... it is under a leftwing banner, complete with the buzz-phrases 'wealth reditribution', 'worker's rights' and 'think about the children'.
Countries today are considered socialist-leaning depending on the GDP percentage that is government controlled.
Right-wing is all free-markety... remember?
Once again, let's note that we are discussing economic wings, not social policy.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Socialist healthcare in Europe grabbed up private property?
Ecofarm
Deity
Of course. Nationalizing hospitals and even doctors is grabbing private property, or at a minimum preventing it from occuring. Not to mention insurance companies, clinics, etc. All grabbed up by the big government. Face it: healthcare is big business and when the government grabs it, they are grabbing what would be or was private business and property.
If we socialize healthcare in the US, we will be grabbing private property... not creating something new.
If we socialize healthcare in the US, we will be grabbing private property... not creating something new.
Easiest one I can think of offhand was the British partial nationalization of the Suez Canal back in the 1870s. Done for, IIRC, foreign policy reasons, to extend British financial control over the khedive of Egypt (and stick it to the French
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kulade
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That's cute and all, but it fails to conform with Ecofarm's preconceived notions about the world, therefore must be invalid.Easiest one I can think of offhand was the British partial nationalization of the Suez Canal back in the 1870s. Done for, IIRC, foreign policy reasons, to extend British financial control over the khedive of Egypt (and stick it to the French
Ecofarm
Deity
Government financial control = left wing.
Imperialism and usury are left wing phenomena?
Ecofarm
Deity
Not all imperialism is economic.
Government control of the means of production = left wing. Period.
The right wing lets the market decide, remember?
This is simple, people. C'mon.
I laugh and laugh everytime some left-winger tries to tell me that left-wing economic policy is not authoritarian. It just shows how little they really understand politics.
Government control of the means of production = left wing. Period.
The right wing lets the market decide, remember?
This is simple, people. C'mon.
I laugh and laugh everytime some left-winger tries to tell me that left-wing economic policy is not authoritarian. It just shows how little they really understand politics.
Ecofarm
Deity
Owning the canal is owning a means of production, because the canal brings in extensive revenue. It's no different than owning a factory, or Chavez grabbing a hotel.
Right wing economic policy would have privatized it... aka, let the market decide.
Right wing economic policy would have privatized it... aka, let the market decide.
You are confusing a goal with a side effect.
Ecofarm
Deity
Your confusing the act with the intention.
Nationalizing is left wing economic policy and is always justified under their banner. Why someone really does it is a different story, if we want to include alterior motives and conspiracy theory.
For instance, I would say that Chavez's nationalization is under the left-wing economic banner... but he is probably only doing it for personal power.
Nationalizing is left wing economic policy and is always justified under their banner. Why someone really does it is a different story, if we want to include alterior motives and conspiracy theory.
For instance, I would say that Chavez's nationalization is under the left-wing economic banner... but he is probably only doing it for personal power.
You are applying a standard that may or may not be true for one point in history to an entirely different point in history where it is irrelevant. By your standards, every single government in history is a left wing organization. America has been left wing ever since they ratified the Constitution because the USPS is run by the government. Replacing paid freelance colonels with state officers to recruit regiments, train troops, and command them is nationalization, so there goes most of Europe since the seventeenth century. You're distorting the definition of left wing so much that it becomes useless.
