Civ 4 Civilizations

[Kurioku]

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Ireland
england
Scottland
wales
egypt
spain
germany
italy
france
russia
china
japan
thailand
turkey
america(there is only one, for the slow)
brazil
persia
india
zulu
norway
sweeden
libya
ethiopia
korea
mogolia
inca
aztec
maya

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[Mirc]

I don't know what do you all have against the Spanish, I think they are a very good choice, don't forget they had a very important contribution in colonizing South America and the islands from pacific. Except the English, they had the biggest colonial empire of the world. But there are a lot of countries that were important and dissapeared. We have the Incans, civilization that dissapeared completely, but we don't have Phonecians. You complain about Babylon, but there were other countries more important in that area.

But I love that they put the Spanish!

 

[Mirc]

I don't know what do you all have against the Spanish, I think they are a very good choice, don't forget they had a very important contribution in colonizing South America and the islands from pacific. Except the English, they had the biggest colonial empire of the world. But there are a lot of countries that were important and dissapeared. We have the Incans, civilization that dissapeared completely, but we don't have Phonecians. You complain about Babylon, but there were other countries more important in that area.

But I love that they put the Spanish!

 

[Urederra]

I don't know what do you all have against the Spanish, I think they are a very good choice, don't forget they had a very important contribution in colonizing South America and the islands from pacific. Except the English, they had the biggest colonial empire of the world.

But I love that they put the Spanish!

Nobody is complaining about the Spanish being in the game in the last posts, as far as I have read. And, from the colonial empire size. I don't know whether the Spanish empire of Phillip the second, when Spain and Portugal where one for a short time, was smaller or bigger that the British empire in its cenit.

If my memory does not fail, that empire was composed of all south america, (including Brazil), all central america and part of north america, ( in one place I read that they reached up to Alaska, and I am not sure about the Labrador (which is either a Spanish or Portuguese word). That`s just America, Portugal and Spain had also colonies or territories in Europe, Africa and Asia, and, well I believe that the Phillipines had its name due to the very Spanish king Phillip the second. The empire where the sun never sets is a spanish sentence in first place, then, the English copied it down.

And, as far as the list of civs a dude just posted in a previous post. ajem. Scottland, Wales, England, Ireland... (don't you think you are being a bit too english centered?) It could be nice for a scenario, but not for the complete game. I suppose that you can also split many important countries into regions and put them separately in the game. I am thinking about China, India, France, (Normandia, Arcachon?, Brettons?... sorry about the spelling, I don't know whether these regions are spelled in English in a different way from French). So let's be serious about which not too many civs that can be included in the vanilla version of the game.

[OFF TOPIC] My support for all the brittish people [/OFF TOPIC]

 

[Atrebates]

Can anyone provide a full list of skills for leaders and their effects?
I'd like to know the likely options for my favourite civs

 

[Himalia]

Im from England and would love to see England, Wales, Northen Ireland and Scotland in the game but that would be to much unless it was for a scenario. To have all of them in you wouls have to cut others out. You could have United Kingdom i suppose but cant ever imagine England not being in the game the same goes for another small list of how can i put it ? Core civilizations prehaps ?

 

[Crayton]

I would like to see melding of civilizations from two eras, like Greece and Byzantium.
How about Celts and Scotland?
Franks => France
HRE => Germany
Turks => country ending in stan (Turkistan)
Mesopotamia! => Iraq
Aztecs => Mexico
along with many more connections that are more obvious, and probably already assumed. Israel => Phonecia??

 

[rbis4rbb]

30.Polynesians(hey, they really deserve a hats off. They had mastered the pacific while Europe believed the world to be flat. The evidence is that polynesians sailed not only to South America, but possibly even to California. They were expert colonists and had an extremely advanced navigation system, allowing them populate large areas of the Pacific. They were also fine stonemasons, leaving many enigmatic monuments across the pacific, most well known are the stone heads of Easter Island. Their society too was well organized, with a strong authority structure, based on geneological ranking, and strongly focused on overseas colonization. Plus the UU would be awesome - Voyaging Canoe, replaces Trireme, only 1 strength but can cross coast, sea and ocean, carries 1.)

But that's for the Xpac. For now, I'll just say that leaders aside, I'm rather pleased with the selection of civs.

There is no way that this "civilization" (even more loosely defined than the Celts) belongs in any Civ game. We know nothing of their leaders, for one. Second of all, the Olmecs built giant stone heads and colonized much of Mexico and even norhtern South America. And there is no concrete evidence that Polynesians even ventured near either American coastline.

 

[Hannabir]

No Polynesian leaders that we know of?
How about Toussaint L'Ouverture, for instance?
Or king Purnawarman?

 

[HourlyDaily]

I see no reason not to include them,

Well the def of "civilization" in game terms depends on if you want to represent one single civ or if you are comfortable with culture groups. I'm for culture groups all the way - because it is from this group that the well-known civs sprung from eg: Rome rising out of a loose alliance of cultural groups, appropriating Etruscan culture and achievements.

The Polynesians in all areas had their own cultural structure, their heirarchy - including lots of restrictive rules to try to protect themselves from being wiped out by the weather (their gods). The Maoris of New Zealand share Polynesian blood, Polynesian culture groups exist today in Hawaii, Samoa etc. Like the Aboriginals, they've developed isolated from the effects of other civilizations until relatively recently.
You might be surprised at the depth of information out there on Polynesia which lists the names of their chiefs and the beliefs of the society. Assigning individual traits to a leader might take some guesswork but there is some framework.

Summarising the case for: The uniqueness of Polynesia, the region of the world that they live/lived in plus the fact that the Polynesians are wanted by many on this site.

The Polynesians may not make the Top 18 or the Top 31 - but I expect a Polynesian civ mod to be on this site as among the first of the new ones created on this site.
And as always, the more civs or culture groups represented - the better.

And as for the Celts....well lets just say I'll be more than a little annoyed if they aren't represented in some form or another.

 

[Himalia]

Polynesia i feel would be a very unlikely choice to make it into the first release of the game, not beacuse they lack anything (far from it) its just theres so few spaces and some of those will b taken up staright away by a core of must have civilizations. I would hope the yhad a very good chance to be in the first expansion. Like hello does that part of the world get a civilization ?

Polynesia has a fasinating culture with a rich history and is worth looking into if you want to learn about something that is not so mainstream.

 

[I am the Future]

The choices for the civilizations in Civ4 are good
Personaly i would replace the Mali with Ethiopia. But it is still good.

 

[madman1981]

19.

There are:

The Americans
The Arabs
The Aztecs
The Chinese
The Egyptians
The English
The French
The Germans
The Incans
The Indians
The Japanese
The Mali
The Mongols
The Persians
The Romans
The Russians
The Spanish

Not official but probably in it anyways:

The Greeks

The Mystery Civ:

The Maya
The Iriquois
The Sioux
The Cambodians/ The Khemer
The Asyrrians

Iroquis are significant and should be in there. Same with an Australian civilization, not that significant historically maybe, but aboriginals have been around for a long time and inhabitated an entire continent.

If you are thinking of influence and historic expansion, Portuguese, Dutch, Scandinavians (Nordic) and Turks should probably be in there too.

 

[Dark Khan]

Babylon(Mesopotamia)
Turks(janissaries,sipahis,Horse archers)
Hittites(the rival of egypt remember Kadesh,first iron age civ)

 

[flamescreen]

I find all this debate about civs, rahter incomprehencible.
There will always be differences between what each person wants, and in this time and age of gaming, there should be the possibility to start the game with templates, having available whatever you like, but giving you the option, even to make completelly new ones, based on what you want.

It's just a game in the end, you replay history, only, not re-live it. If you want actual conditions, like no Byzantines against Greece or Rome, or Celts against England, etc you should ask for a new feature "time limits civ placement", which would automatically destroy your civ as Romans after a date or accelerate the game till colonisation period if you play Americans(Since they weren't around since ancient years).

However I find some of you guys claims, over the top. This is a game about possibilities, not a time machine. If someone doesn't want a civ, or wants another, well, that's the point of the modding community being so active in the first place. Thank god they don't accept everything we ***** about, or civ-games would be so much worse already.

Accept the difference in others and respect their right to play the game as they want it too(or close to that, you can't satisfy everyone 100% all the time). It angers me at times how many fans have an attitude of "make the game perfect for me and everyone else has to like it cause my view is perfect and should be worsipped".

Give us a break already...

 

[DrMadd]

All the ones from Conquest, and Civ 3, plus-

The Cherokee-Leader- Sequoia- Agricultural, Religious-Special Unit- The Brave- A beefed up worker who builds farms, forts and other improvements and can fight back.
The Huns- Attila Militaristic, Expansionist-special unit, the Tarkan- Replaces the horseman, and attacks when archers attack when defending.
The Hebrews-David- Religious, Commercial- Special Unit-
The Slinger

 

[ThePersian]

I think we should get rid of Babilon as it was under Persian control for a conciderable time. This would allow room for Spain.

Spain (the spanish need a place, their language and culture is dominant in south america and North america, but they need a better unit than the crappy explorer, someone come up with a UU)

 

[DrMadd]

And also a wonder to allow it.

The Inquisition- converts all religions with your empire to your religion.
Obsolete with Nationalism.

Spanish UU ideas-

War Galleon- a naval ship that gains wealth every time it's promoted, can carry troops, and is stronger than usual galleons, and can attack. replaces both frigate and Galleon.

Tercio: Replaces Musket man- a more heavily armored musketman

 

[bman003]

Personally I think the Americans can go. I'm not against America, I just get annoyed by the American running around in 4000 BC. I know allot of countries were not around back then that we do play but we could imagine they could have elvolved from some other previous civ. That's why I wish they had civil wars and revolutions in civ.

 

[DrMadd]

I think that your civ should start under similar circumstances to what it did historically. So, to have America, you must first start off as English colonials.