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Civ 5/Steam:Offline Mode Question

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by atticus finch, May 11, 2010.

  1. Chalks

    Chalks The blue pieces

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    I would have thought that anyone with intelligence would understand the difference between a catch all disclaimer and disaster recovery plan.
     
  2. Greybriar

    Greybriar Prince

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    Perhaps it's because I don't want Steam to become a monopoly and be required to play ALL PC games. After all, I've just lost my favorite game series to a gaming service/DRM I refuse to use.

    I furnish official sources. You provide propaganda.
     
  3. PieceOfMind

    PieceOfMind Drill IV Defender Retired Moderator

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    I better wear a helmet.:shifty:
    Ever heard of the scout's motto? "Be prepared."
     
  4. Sterf

    Sterf Warlord

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    I'll ask again, since you seem to have looked over it. Why would a company speak of their own hypothetical bankruptcy in the EULA of all places? What company do you know that does that?

    Email Gabe Newell if you want to hear it from him.
     
  5. Greybriar

    Greybriar Prince

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    What you quoted me as posting is in response to Chalks, not you.

    And if you want to know "Why would a company speak of their own hypothetical bankruptcy in the EULA of all places," why don't you email Gabe yourself?
     
  6. Sterf

    Sterf Warlord

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    Because you demand it, apparently. No company does that, that's crazy. That was the answer. Yet it's the only thing you'll accept, isn't it?

    And I meant email him with your hypothetical doom-scenario's.
     
  7. The_Coyote

    The_Coyote Emperor

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    Explaining the way how science tries to understand decision (and therefore one of the most established explaination of decisions), with the target to show how different decisions can occur. It´s still one of the reason persons argue all the time here - the non ability to understand how the other side can - while working with the same facts - come to another, completely different decision. And why steam can see as something with negative value.

    I can´t remember that i said this. I can´t even remember that i introduced the aspect time. You again worked with your assumption, your believes about my intention and reasons, but not with my words.

    I said a registration (in general) has a negative use for me. But i did not said time in this context. I did not even said why, i only said it has.

    Really? Why? Sorry, but i disagree. (and if you don´t like it - simply ignore my posts - your are not forced to read and even comment them)

    And where i said, that it´s a relative high figure? [i said shocking, perhaps i meant shocking high, but perhaps i meant shocking low for someone using this example - only negative you can seen as confirmed]. Btw i can´t even remember to adress the post to you - it was a response to a comment fishmonger did.
     
  8. Greybriar

    Greybriar Prince

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    I did? Oh, you said *apparently*, which is neither here nor there. I linked to the Steam Subscriber Agreement. Read it. Perhaps your answer lies therein.
     
  9. Senethro

    Senethro Overlord

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    Nice dodge.
     
  10. White Elk

    White Elk 99 > 1

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    I'm gonna look both ways before I cross the street. Which is basically what I am attempting to do here as relates to Steam. Again I ask you what are you doing here beyond attempting to troll for drama?
     
  11. isndl

    isndl Chieftain

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    What if you're one of those who bought into the whole digital distribution deal and don't actually have any DVDs of the game? How are you supposed to reinstall your game in the first place?
     
  12. Senethro

    Senethro Overlord

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    You might be well advised to create some backups of the games you've downloaded using Steam's backup creation feature. It can install from them. Assuming the authentication step is removed then they should work as well as a DVD by that point.
     
  13. Chalks

    Chalks The blue pieces

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    Looking both ways doesn't remove the possibility of getting hit by a car. Your logic states that any possibility, no matter how tiny, should be seen as a major problem. Why so inconsistent?

    Oh, and I'm here attempting to get people to shut up with their hysterical and disproportional whinging about steam. Since you're not going to buy the game apparently, what on earth are you doing here? Ctrl+W if you would be so kind.

    One would assume that someone on the magnificent and blessed internets would have a copy of the game and would provide a method to download said game. Possibly 2k, possibly some smart fellow utilising the power of bittorrent.
     
  14. isndl

    isndl Chieftain

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    Funny, most people advocating the usage of Steam seem to make it a point of not having to deal with DVDs.

    And so the legitimate purchaser has to turn to piracy simply to play a game they paid good money for? How is that any better than other forms of DRM?
     
  15. Sterf

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    Doesn't have to be on DVD. You can make the backups on HD if you want.

    Remember, this is in some hypothetical situation in a future where things happened that won't happen, not the real world.
     
  16. Sterf

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    Third time:
    Do you think the consequences of a company's bankruptcy is something that normally is included in a EULA? Do you think it's right to see any speculation on this hypothetical scenario as truth because of it's not being written in the EULA?
     
  17. Chalks

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    Obtaining a copy of a game that you have a legitimate license to use is not piracy.

    You would also only have to resort to this if 2k completely abandoned the game and refused to provide an alternative download location.

    So yes, if an extremely successful company went bust and you'd uninstalled the game and not backed up the game data and the developers of the game also went bust or refused to support it then you would still get to play the game as long as you could obtain the games data from any backup on the planet.

    I'm sorry to inform you that if the internet also burns down you may have difficult locating a copy of it if you do not have any friends who also own the game and can back their copy up to a CD for you.

    Otherwise you are going to be doomed to a lonely internet free existence without any Civ.

    Do you think we should start planning for this eventuality right now?
     
  18. isndl

    isndl Chieftain

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    If it's backed up on your hard drive, wouldn't it already constitute being already installed? Even if it's an external drive, you can play straight off of it.

    Nobody knows what will happen in the future with any certainty.

    Here's an example scenario: Gabe Newell dies of a heart attack, and Valve is sold off. Ubisoft purchases it, proceeds to run Steam straight into the ground, people leave in droves and eventually Ubisoft kills Steam because it's no longer profitable.

    All of that could happen in a span of five years, perhaps even less. And it's only one of a myriad of ways in which Steam shuts down; other scenarios might take longer, but the end result is the same. And what if Steam doesn't shut down, but simply became so much of a nuisance that you don't want to use it? Not even their promise to unlock all your games applies anymore, since Steam is still alive.

    You might be willing to accept the risk of losing access to your games, but that doesn't hold true for everyone. Losing one game is unfortunate, two or three regrettable, but we're talking about accounts that may have hundreds of games; what's the value of that? Thousands of dollars' worth of goods, ready to disappear at a moment's notice. Are you willing to accept the risk of losing all that money, plus more for the games you have to repurchase? Not everyone can afford to do so.

    And where is this license? Right, it was with Steam. My proof of purchase is a credit card bill from a decade ago. 2K games offers an alternate download, if I can provide some kind of proof that I actually did purchase the game, except I never saved any of it because I didn't think it was necessary.

    Of course, the license you purchased may or may not have a provision regarding the usage of backups (when was the last time you even looked at the license agreement?), and there's reasonable doubt as to whether or not a pirated version even qualifies as a backup to begin with, since you're not the one who created it.

    These are very murky legal waters to be dealing in, yet nobody seems to care simply because they decided that the convenience of digital distribution is worth sacrificing the physical copy and all the rights it entails.

    If your answer is to download that pirated version anyways because you know you paid for it, then you had best hope that you don't end up in court for any reason, because you'll be paying far more than the fifty bucks for a new game.
     
  19. Chalks

    Chalks The blue pieces

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    So back up your games in case of a games industry apocalypse? There's a whole backup system for making copies of your steam games in the client.

    I'm not sure what you want me to say, there are a whole bunch of different options available to you if something that's really unlikely happens.

    You play the game with steam.
    But what if steam vanishes? You can still play in offline mode
    But what if I uninstalled the game? You'll get an unlock patch from either steam or 2k so you can install without verification
    But what if I don't have a physical copy? You can back the game up to dvds using the interface
    But what if I don't do this? You can just grab a copy of a friend's backup, or get a friend to back up their copy and give it to you
    But what if I don't know anyone who have a backup? 2k will probably provide a download location should steam distribution fail
    But what if they don't? You can probably acquire a copy of the game online
    But what if I refuse to do that?

    Well... then I guess you're probably not going to be able to play the game.

    Although to be quite frank, the idea that you wouldn't buy the game for fear of the above sequence of events happening at some point in the future is a joke.
     
  20. Greybriar

    Greybriar Prince

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    I don't know and I don't care. Ask the company that issued the EULA, not me. Opinions do not count, facts are facts. Read the Steam Subscriber Agreement.
     

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