Civ 7 captures the Zeitgeist and that is why I hate it

[Leyrann]

Average AAA game in 2023 had a dev budget of 200 millions. Civ has maybe 10% of that. A AAA game like GTA 5 sold 210 Million copies. It is a completly different league than civ in terms of sales. Firaxis is a great developer but that has nothing to do with some AA or AAA label.

Literally everyone considers Civ an AAA game. I've seen this label put on the series regularly for a decade if not longer. It doesn't matter what you personally believe should and shouldn't be given the label, general consensus is that it's an AAA game.

 

[Archmagos_Faber]

They explained over and over again why they made the changes they did during the marketing cycle. Saying it’s for “no other reason other than to be disruptive” is disingenuous at best.

its funny the reason they gave for making us change civ etc is to make us play to the end but now many are just not beginning to start with... so what is better, let people play how they want and expect to in a civ title or have player not buy the game at all? either way they still copied their competitors and are not doing anything new...

 

[Clubber Lang]

Civilization 6 is more popular on Steam right now than Civ 7, even though it's eight years old

The Civilization 7 Steam player count has dropped below that of its nine-year-old predecessor Civ 6, as Firaxis vows to fix the 4X game.

www.pcgamesn.com

Civilization 7 solves dozens of the series' worst problems, but even Firaxis can't totally fix the bloated 4X genre

Civilization 7 is fantastic, and perhaps the best expression of the conventional 4X game, but the genre’s inherent bloat holds Firaxis back.

www.pcgamesn.com

I've Played Civ For 20 Years & Civ 7's Controversy Is Not A Death Sentence

Civ 7's initial issues aren't the end.

screenrant.com

Civilization 7 Opens To Mostly Negative Reviews As Players Call It An "Unfinished Mess"

Civilization 7 players have some big problems with the overall UI.

www.thegamer.com

PETER HOSKIN reviews Sid Meier's Civilization VII: Pining for the past

The launch of a new title (pictured) in the 34-year-old Civilization series is always quite something. It's an event. A monument on the landscape of gaming. But it's also a kind of diminution.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Clubber Lang]

 

[moondog385]

its funny the reason they gave for making us change civ etc is to make us play to the end but now many are just not beginning to start with... so what is better, let people play how they want and expect to in a civ title or have player not buy the game at all? either way they still copied their competitors and are not doing anything new...

Yeah and many people like the game. So that leaves us where? Lol

 

[ThichN]

its funny the reason they gave for making us change civ etc is to make us play to the end but now many are just not beginning to start with... so what is better, let people play how they want and expect to in a civ title or have player not buy the game at all? either way they still copied their competitors and are not doing anything new...

Copied their competitors? That's like saying every jazz quartet copied the next because they all had a horn instrument.

I've been playing Civ since Civ1 and have few expectations. The devs can be creative and give me something new, just as players can choose to go back and play an older iteration. These aren't intended to be remakes. What's the big deal?

 

[Clubber Lang]

Steam's New #1 Game Is Proving to Be Controversial

The best-selling game on Steam right now, Sid Meier's Civilization 7, is proving to be quite controversial with those who have purchased it.

comicbook.com

Civilization 7's Customization Options Are Severely Lacking

Civilization 7 lacks some basic customization options that we've come to expect from previous games.

www.thegamer.com

 

[Leyrann]

Steam's New #1 Game Is Proving to Be Controversial

The best-selling game on Steam right now, Sid Meier's Civilization 7, is proving to be quite controversial with those who have purchased it.

comicbook.com

Civilization 7's Customization Options Are Severely Lacking

Civilization 7 lacks some basic customization options that we've come to expect from previous games.

www.thegamer.com

Do you have anything to add to the discussions beyond context-less links?

 

[Lord Shadow]

Any mindless linking of cherry-picked negative YouTube videos is automatically defused by linking to the 68 (83%) positive professional reviews listed on Metacritic.

Discussion is always more substantial than acting like a bot. The game is very much not a flop: sure, it has issues (mainly balance and UI related) that fit the bill of a just-launched title. The rest is opinions and there is no objective truth.

 

[TheGrayFox]

Yeah and many people like the game. So that leaves us where? Lol

With 2K looking at their bottom line and unhappy that Firaxis released another flop after the commercial trainwreck that was Midnight Suns

 

[TheGrayFox]

Any mindless linking of cherry-picked negative YouTube videos is automatically defused by linking to the 68 (83%) positive professional reviews listed on Metacritic.

Discussion is always more substantial than acting like a bot. The game is very much not a flop: sure, it has issues (mainly balance and UI related) that fit the bill of a just-launched title. The rest is opinions and there is no objective truth.

Even if you wanted to use professional video game reviewers as a metric (lol why would you do that?) the metacritic score is the lowest the series has ever seen by far

 

[Clubber Lang]

professional paid and dined reviews

 

[Maiq]

Careful, they might start making "addressing the haters" videos about you.

 

[Clubber Lang]

Do you have anything to add to the discussions beyond context-less links?

Moderator Action: SNIP

The context of the links i posted fit the theme of the thread.

 

[Lord Shadow]

"Paid and dined" reviews, as opposed to random clickbaity YouTubers who literally and monetarily thrive on controversy. After all, it always pays more when there's something negative to be said. Hate sells.

The negativity ends up being plain trolling, and trolls end up frustrated they can't effectively project their simple personal opinion as the One Truth.

But hey, nobody is taking your Civ4 or Civ5 away. Why bother with 7 if you don't like it?

 

[Maiq]

"Paid and dined" reviews, as opposed to random clickbaity YouTubers who literally and monetarily thrive on controversy. After all, it always pays more when there's something negative to be said. Hate sells.

They both are ass.

 

[TheGrayFox]

"Paid and dined" reviews, as opposed to random clickbaity YouTubers who literally and monetarily thrive on controversy. After all, it always pays more when there's something negative to be said. Hate sells.

The negativity ends up being plain trolling, and trolls end up frustrated they can't effectively project their simple personal opinion as the One Truth.

But hey, nobody is taking your Civ4 or Civ5 away. Why bother with 7 if you don't like it?

random clickbaity youtubers are not being flown out by Firaxis to review their games early though.....

but if you want to believe in a conspiracy where "random clickbaity youtubers" many of whom are actually fans of the series are releasing negative reviews for monetary reasons and not because they, like 49% of steam reviews, don't recommend the game, feel free. You can continue listening to professional video game reviews (who still gave the game the lowest score the series has seen) over all the fans telling you otherwise

 

[Clubber Lang]

"Paid and dined" reviews, as opposed to random clickbaity YouTubers who literally and monetarily thrive on controversy. After all, it always pays more when there's something negative to be said. Hate sells.

The negativity ends up being plain trolling, and trolls end up frustrated they can't effectively project their simple personal opinion as the One Truth.

But hey, nobody is taking your Civ4 or Civ5 away. Why bother with 7 if you don't like it?

There was no hate in the videos, just constructive criticism including some positive stuff.

 

[Siptah]

random clickbaity youtubers are not being flown out by Firaxis to review their games early though.....

but if you want to believe in a conspiracy where "random clickbaity youtubers" many of whom are actually fans of the series are releasing negative reviews for monetary reasons and not because they, like 49% of steam reviews, don't recommend the game, feel free. You can continue listening to professional video game reviews (who still gave the game the lowest score the series has seen) over all the fans telling you otherwise

Why rely on reviews from anyone else besides yourself when you played it yourself, as did the person you quoted?

 

[Disgustipated]

like 49% of steam reviews

Many of which don't like the game because they believe it to be too woke. Those reviews can be discarded.