Civ 7 captures the Zeitgeist and that is why I hate it

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Disgustipated said:
Many of which don't like the game because they believe it to be too woke. Those reviews can be discarded
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"Many" What a cope man. You know a game that actually got review bombed and managed to stay in the "mostly positive": Veilguard. And we all know how the internet thought of that one.
 
Disgustipated said:
Many of which don't like the game because they believe it to be too woke. Those reviews can be discarded.
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That absolutely is not the reason why most of the steam reviewers did not reccommend the game, have you actually read any of these reviews? The vast majority are well reasoned and give concrete non-political reasons why they don't reccommend.

again some of us here really need to be a bit more realistic

Siptah said:
Why rely on reviews from anyone else besides yourself when you played it yourself, as did the person you quoted?
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I didn't have to rely on reviews to know I wouldn't like this game, which is a shame because this is one of my favorite series. The reviews and player count simply vindicate the position I already had.
 
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Gedemon said:
meaning ?
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meaning that trying to write off most of the user reviews this game has recieved, the vast majority of which make no mention of politics as some sort of "review bombing" or some anti-woke crusade is silly and complete unrealistic.

the game flopped, it's really not much more deep than that
 
How is this conversation constructive…? There’s no way to tell if the game flopped without sales data. It launched on all platforms and had early access so we can’t use the PC player base as some benchmark.
 
moondog385 said:
How is this conversation constructive…? There’s no way to tell if the game flopped without sales data. It launched on all platforms and had early access so we can’t use the PC player base as some benchmark.
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Call it an unproductive discussion but it is an interesting one and the writing on the wall seems obvious. Come on, are we really going to pretend that Civilization, a historically PC first strategy game series, is even coming close to doubling its sales on consoles and on the Epic store that almost no one actually uses? A quick look at the total number of reviews on Playstation and Xbox's platform for the VII shows the console numbers are a miniscule fraction of the engagement happening on PC.

even then, it's still looking like a flop because PC was their major market for this series and VI sold as well as it did on PC alone before it even started getting ported to make even more money. VII could barely reach scratch half of that peak on PC, even if it sold decently on consoles (doubtful) they have still lost a large part of their market.

A succesful launch wouldn't have 2K commenting about the game's problems openly and talking about having to win over legacy fans over nor would Firaxis be replying to almost every negative review left on steam in HR mode, if they were rolling in sales and everything was going according to the "civ cycle"
 
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Disgustipated said:
Many of which don't like the game because they believe it to be too woke. Those reviews can be discarded.
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This is certainly a portion of it, but the game has legitimate problems even to people who have approached it completely open to the changes provided. The reasons for the rocky public perception of the game are multifaceted: unfinished UI, bugs, crashes, controversy over the mechanics, and all of this framed in the context of the monetization plan (DLC being worked on and sold to consumers before the game is, frankly, even ready for release). I would love to live in the world where 2K said "you know what, give it a few more months in the oven" and we got a launch with a functioning UI, far fewer bugs, better balancing of the new mechanics (we all remember the devs being surprised when their epic Modern Age showdown was cut short by an unavoidable early end state on stream, right?) and maybe a few extra Civilizations, so that the controversy could really just boil down to the new mechanics and stupid anti-woke outrage over Harriet Tubman. However, that isn't the case: anti-consumer business practices have led to a shipped product that has incurred scathing criticism from even the people who have had an overall positive experience and were sponsored by Firaxis. I have openly been a big fan of the design decisions made by Firaxis for this installment. I have written paragraphs upon paragraphs in defense of their roster choices. However, at this moment, considering its unpolished state and its high cost, I would not feel good about recommending the purchase of this game to any of my friends. On Steam, this equals a negative review. Thus, I do not believe that a sizable amount of bad reviews can be simply discarded out the gate. Even ones that may complain about things that I don't see as problems likely have legitimate concerns as well. If someone writes a review complaining that the game is unpolished because of "DEI hires" or too much time spent on "woke," I can disagree with their reasoning, but it doesn't change the fact that what they accuse the true problem of being, an extreme lack of polish, is legitimately present in the game. If the game was polished, sure, they're obviously just making stuff up to try to justify their anger, but in this situation I'm afraid that it can't be said for certain.
 
Again these argumentations are very tiring. How many thread more like this? Until you manifest Firaxis to shut down business? We have heard you enough.

I guess I wont be reading any constructive feedback from these guys but they really like to hammer down that Civ 7 is garbage etc.
 
TheGrayFox said:
the game flopped, it's really not much more deep than that
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Not even a week after release and you repeat this claim in numerous threads on this forum, and to what end? I'm confused as to the point you are trying to make and how it is contributing to these fan forums. If it's not "much more deep than that," why belabor the point? (This is a genuine question.)
 
sonicmyst said:
Again these argumentations are very tiring. How many thread more like this? Until you manifest Firaxis to shut down business? We have heard you enough.

I guess I wont be reading any constructive feedback from these guys but they really like to hammer down that Civ 7 is garbage etc.
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I do not think that Civ VI is garbage. Frankly, I do not mind bad UI or crashes: I got hundreds of hours out of the switch port of Civ VII (for a quick example of its UI issues, the City selection for Trade Routes and City States DOES NOT SCROLL VISUALLY if you don't use the touch screen: you have to do trial and error blindfolded to assign Amani) and adore Fallout: New Vegas. I consider being forced into some nice, old-fashioned tedium to be good for my soul, mind, and attention span. However, I recognize this is very much not how most people view a lack of polish in games. My real concern in that a launch like this will turn people off of the game and leave it with too small an audience to justify continued work on. I want this game to last long enough to get a huge roster of civs and leaders, to see years of mechanical updates and balance changes, to be something that people are willing to talk with me about for a long time to come. A launch like this threatens all of that. The rough could leave the diamond uncut forever. I am criticizing the current state of the game because Firaxis shutting down business on Civ VII is something that I very much do not want to happen.
 
sonicmyst said:
Again these argumentations are very tiring. How many thread more like this? Until you manifest Firaxis to shut down business? We have heard you enough.

I guess I wont be reading any constructive feedback from these guys but they really like to hammer down that Civ 7 is garbage etc.
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Anyone forces you to read this and then defend Firaxis? Just accept the fact that a lot of people don't like the direction of the game, the UI, the DLC monetization, heck, even the 'pretty' graphics.
Steam feedback shows a 50-50 divide, you got to live with that.
 
I don't think anyone actually has any trouble accepting that many people don't like it. It's a valid and even important conversation. It fits the subject of multiple threads. But when it dominates multiple threads, it gets tiring. No one is forced to read any particular thread. Not is anyone forced to spread their perspective to multiple threads. For a moment I thought this was the "peak players" thread because both basically became the same conversation.
 
ThichN said:
Not even a week after release and you repeat this claim in numerous threads on this forum, and to what end? I'm confused as to the point you are trying to make and how it is contributing to these fan forums. If it's not "much more deep than that," why belabor the point? (This is a genuine question.)
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I am also a fan of this series, hence why i'm on a fan forum. The end is that I don't like the direction of the series, I was curious how other fans felt, and I know Firaxis reads the forums. If you don't like hearing about how the game isn't good, is being poorly recieved, or about why it's had a bad launch, maybe you should avoid topics like this about why someone hates the game. It seems weird to come into an explicitely negative topic like this and get upset that a not so positive perspective is being shared.
 
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StargazingDog said:
Ah, the old "I'm just asking questions" defense.

This thread is a trainwreck, and you are the engineer. I can't believe this embarrassment is still open for replies.
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Moderator Action: Agree. Thread locked.
 
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