That's the problem with text, it's hard to tell what the intent of the statement is. Hence my reason for often adding extra smilies to make sure the reader doesn't take it the wrong way.
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That's the problem with text, it's hard to tell what the intent of the statement is. Hence my reason for often adding extra smilies to make sure the reader doesn't take it the wrong way.
AljayBoy
Warlord
Not to start a flame war, but your arguments for the inclusion of Canada could also be attributed to other nations, for example, RPGary's suggestion of my own country Scotland.
Scottish Inventions/Discoveries: The first cloned mammal (Dolly the Sheep); the Television; the Telephone (generally accepted although still debated); Radar; Ultrasound and MRI Scanners; Antiseptics and Penicillin; Mathamatical Logarithms/Calculus; A 'viable' Steam Engine; Bicycles; pneumatic tyres; the Transistor and pioneering electromagnetic work, just to name a few. . .
That list doesn't even include Scotland's philisophical, and cultural contribution to the world, especially during the Scottish Enlightenment of 1730 - 1790 approx. were David Hume and Adam Smith (The same Smith in the Smith Trading Co. Wonder in Civ3 - I think) proposed ideas at the basis of our world today. Hume's essays were the basis for the scientific method and Smith could be described as the father of modern economics or the creator of capitalism, due to his work The Wealth of Nations.
As for culture, well Scotland has had a dramatic (think William Wallace; Jacobite Rebellions etc) and distinct history going back to 800AD approx. and considering Scotland now has a population of less than 5.5 million, I think we've done well to promote our culture in the face of globalisation and believe we will continue to do so.
All in all I believe Scotland has punched well above its weight in terms of Inventions/Discoveries and in Philosophy/Cultural respects, especially considering we're such a small country on an island dominated by our southern neighbours.
So, if Canada is in BtS - then so should Scotland! Just think of the possible scenarios i.e. uniting the warring Scottish clans and the Scottish/English Wars.
(And to think I didn't even need to mention kilts and whisky! )
Scottish Inventions/Discoveries: The first cloned mammal (Dolly the Sheep); the Television; the Telephone (generally accepted although still debated); Radar; Ultrasound and MRI Scanners; Antiseptics and Penicillin; Mathamatical Logarithms/Calculus; A 'viable' Steam Engine; Bicycles; pneumatic tyres; the Transistor and pioneering electromagnetic work, just to name a few. . .
That list doesn't even include Scotland's philisophical, and cultural contribution to the world, especially during the Scottish Enlightenment of 1730 - 1790 approx. were David Hume and Adam Smith (The same Smith in the Smith Trading Co. Wonder in Civ3 - I think) proposed ideas at the basis of our world today. Hume's essays were the basis for the scientific method and Smith could be described as the father of modern economics or the creator of capitalism, due to his work The Wealth of Nations.
As for culture, well Scotland has had a dramatic (think William Wallace; Jacobite Rebellions etc) and distinct history going back to 800AD approx. and considering Scotland now has a population of less than 5.5 million, I think we've done well to promote our culture in the face of globalisation and believe we will continue to do so.
All in all I believe Scotland has punched well above its weight in terms of Inventions/Discoveries and in Philosophy/Cultural respects, especially considering we're such a small country on an island dominated by our southern neighbours.
So, if Canada is in BtS - then so should Scotland! Just think of the possible scenarios i.e. uniting the warring Scottish clans and the Scottish/English Wars.
(And to think I didn't even need to mention kilts and whisky!
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PeanutBomb
Chieftain
New BtS article from GAMEDAILY
I found it from Apolyton.
I think the new information is about "making Diplomatic Victory a different process."
But maybe they just talking about the Apostolic Palace.
I found it from Apolyton.
I think the new information is about "making Diplomatic Victory a different process."
But maybe they just talking about the Apostolic Palace.
Ball Lightning
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Thanks for this great infor center!!
New BtS article from GAMEDAILY
I found it from Apolyton.
I think the new information is about "making Diplomatic Victory a different process."
But maybe they just talking about the Apostolic Palace.
Thanks PeanutBomb! I came across that article the day it came out (man, do I like Google Alerts), but seeing there wasn't anything new I didn't bother to mention it.
I'm thinking that's not very wise. I should have posted it anyway, I apologize.
Scotland is pretty darn close to the Celts.
The Celts originated in Ireland then moved into Scotland, through Britain, and Wales, then down to France, then into Germany, Spain, and down into Rome (plundered it under the leadership of Brennus) and then they merged with other nations to form over countries but now have part of their culture in almost all of Europe.
Also I heard the television and telephone are Canadian inventions but that information came with the lie that the canoe, snowshoes, and lacrosse are also Canadian inventions.
Also just so you know I am Celtic(Scottish), Canadian, and Algonquin so I want them to all be in BtS although I am fine with the Sioux if there are no Algonquins.
The Celts originated in Ireland then moved into Scotland, through Britain, and Wales, then down to France, then into Germany, Spain, and down into Rome (plundered it under the leadership of Brennus) and then they merged with other nations to form over countries but now have part of their culture in almost all of Europe.
Also I heard the television and telephone are Canadian inventions but that information came with the lie that the canoe, snowshoes, and lacrosse are also Canadian inventions.
Also just so you know I am Celtic(Scottish), Canadian, and Algonquin so I want them to all be in BtS although I am fine with the Sioux if there are no Algonquins.
dutchking
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I'm a mutt (I live in NJ), if the Austrians are added all of my ancestry will be represented in civ:
English
Irish (Celtic)
Dutch
German
French
Austrian
Russian
Living in America! Woo!
Hehe, pretend the coffee is tea next to the English...
This is driving me nuts. I sat down to play Civ IV Vanilla for the first time in a long time, and I can't find my start up disc. I have the other one - Disc 2, the one I don't need - tucked safely away where nothing will happen to it. But Disc 1? Nope. Can't find it. So I've been tearing the place apart searching with no luck. 
I hate to have to buy the same thing all over again. I don't have Warlords - wasn't planning to get that. But if it has the startup disc included the way C3C did, I might spring for it. What would be really good would be if BTS included a startup disc, because BTS has content I really want. Of course then I'd have to wait a long time now that I have the game on my mind.
So anyway, my question is: Does Warlords have the startup disc, & does anyone know about BTS?
I hate to have to buy the same thing all over again. I don't have Warlords - wasn't planning to get that. But if it has the startup disc included the way C3C did, I might spring for it. What would be really good would be if BTS included a startup disc, because BTS has content I really want. Of course then I'd have to wait a long time now that I have the game on my mind.So anyway, my question is: Does Warlords have the startup disc, & does anyone know about BTS?
This is driving me nuts. I sat down to play Civ IV Vanilla for the first time in a long time, and I can't find my start up disc. I have the other one - Disc 2, the one I don't need - tucked safely away where nothing will happen to it. But Disc 1? Nope. Can't find it. So I've been tearing the place apart searching with no luck.
So anyway, my question is: Does Warlords have the startup disc, & does anyone know about BTS?
Don't worry, you will need the BtS disc to play BtS.
The Celts orriginated on the southern Rhine where France, Germany, and Switzerland meet.
Ivan K.
Chieftain
Hello.
Goonies: You think Canada should be a civ just because you're proud of your country. That's ok to me, but that's not enough to make Canada a civ (so Luxembourg should be one too, because I think it's a cool name).
The beaver's country has been a colony for the first part of its history, three century (around 1600 to 1867), then some kind of "vassal state" for fifty years (1867 to WWI, on paper in 1931), then a true country since 1931 (on paper in 1982).
Alls civs in the game are (like America, Russia) or have been an empire (China, France, Mongols, Spain, even Zulu). Not Canada. (And don't tell how big it is. Most of its territory is empty. And it didn't conquered it. England did.)
Alls civs had a signifiant influence on the world (or the known world). Not Canada.
Most civs have or have had a signifiant culture, with myths, great monuments, great litterature with big influence, etc. Canada has that stuff, but it's not as big as Greece, Germany or America (and I don't think about silly blockbuster movies).
What about inventions ? Well, all moderns nations invented something. Too bad it's not something big like writting or philosophy, those are already done. What about Canadarm ? I always thought it was used to check America's prostate.
"Marriage of English and French Canada" : unconsummated marriage.
"Creating peacekeeping" : i agree, this is good memories.
Maybe the maple leaf state should be renamed "Not America". And not should be a civ. Or at least after Tibet, Olmec, Huns, Khmer, Assyria and others.
And I'm Canadian.
The preview at AskMen.com mentions very little new information, though it does name the Saracens as an opponent in the "Charlemagne's Wars" scenario. When speaking of "Afterworld," they say it's a tip of the hat to X-Com and includes "boss battles" and focuses the action on tactical team-based strategy. "Final frontier" is also spoken of, the article stating "Values, a bit like those many of us remember from Alpha Centauri, replace religion and starbases can be built to spread influence."
MarkM
Cow Herder
Not much to add but I can't resist pointing out the Sid Meier quote in my sig (from an interview maybe 3-4 months back). Clearly a sarcastic comment, so I think you can rest assured there is a 0.00% chance of Canada ever being added as a civ
Not to start a flame war, but your arguments for the inclusion of Canada could also be attributed to other nations, for example, RPGary's suggestion of my own country Scotland.
Scottish Inventions/Discoveries: The first cloned mammal (Dolly the Sheep); the Television; the Telephone (generally accepted although still debated); Radar; Ultrasound and MRI Scanners; Antiseptics and Penicillin; Mathamatical Logarithms/Calculus; A 'viable' Steam Engine; Bicycles; pneumatic tyres; the Transistor and pioneering electromagnetic work, just to name a few. . .
That list doesn't even include Scotland's philisophical, and cultural contribution to the world, especially during the Scottish Enlightenment of 1730 - 1790 approx. were David Hume and Adam Smith (The same Smith in the Smith Trading Co. Wonder in Civ3 - I think) proposed ideas at the basis of our world today. Hume's essays were the basis for the scientific method and Smith could be described as the father of modern economics or the creator of capitalism, due to his work The Wealth of Nations.
As for culture, well Scotland has had a dramatic (think William Wallace; Jacobite Rebellions etc) and distinct history going back to 800AD approx. and considering Scotland now has a population of less than 5.5 million, I think we've done well to promote our culture in the face of globalisation and believe we will continue to do so.
All in all I believe Scotland has punched well above its weight in terms of Inventions/Discoveries and in Philosophy/Cultural respects, especially considering we're such a small country on an island dominated by our southern neighbours.
So, if Canada is in BtS - then so should Scotland! Just think of the possible scenarios i.e. uniting the warring Scottish clans and the Scottish/English Wars.
(And to think I didn't even need to mention kilts and whisky!
I do not dispute Scotland's impact. I do not however think their modern impact was not in the same league as Canada's. I mentioned in my last post Canada's presence on the world stage in the last one hundred years that actually made a significant impact. Perhaps I am slightly ill-informed, but can Scotland truly lay claim to achievements such as the One Hundred Days of Canada (Hundred Days Offensive), a landing at Juno beach, diffusion of the Suez Canal Crisis, pushing the founding of NATO, etc?
Hell, I live in Canada where Scottish influence is enormous and continually present. Hell, my university is modelled after a Scottish school, borrowing many of it's unique institutions and traditions.
Oh, and Bell was in Canada when he invented the telephone although he was not a Canadian citizen.
Most of your posts completely ignores the points I made in my original posts. Remember that I am focusing on modern times, since that is what this expansion will focus on.
It depends on your definition of 'modern times' but that's probably inaccurate.
Ignoring that the title has a double meaning - it alse represents the expanded non-military options - the expansion is focusing on the eras after the introduction of gunpowder. In European terms that's from the 15th century onwards. So if you consider the golden age of the Netherlands (16th-17th century) and Portugal (15th-16th century) modern then you're right. But then that statement no longer makes sense in the context of using it to justify the inclusion of Canada.
For what it's worth (nothing going by the civs Firaxis has introduced), civs should be predominantly (but there are exceptions) be made up of governments that led regional powers. Canada doesn't qualify under that definition (though I don't think the Netherlands ever did either).
dutchking
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You don't think the US should? We started out as thirteen small colonies and became the largest modern day super power in less than three hundred years...WITHOUT HELP FROM THE BRITISH (Canada). The exact point is that we ARE young and we're still able to become an Important world power in a short period of time.
