I like the idea of starting another demo game for Civ IV. I might look new, with ~1 post now (depending on when you look at it), but I've been around before and been semi-active in demo games. I am deeply disappointed to return and see that one is not already up and running. However, it does mean I get to get in on the ground level so it kind of works. I do have a thought, though. I think it is a little naive to wait for 15 people. There is no way, judging on the response rate already, we'll get that many people anytime soon. Perhaps we should start small, ruling as an oligarchic council or with more limited positions and expand as demand and player involvement expands. I think this would be beneficial in, not only allowing us to start the game in the foreseeable future, but also allowing the game to start feasibly. I just want to work together with other people on a civ!