Civ Snobs

I see this as a phenomenon of online gaming. If you play with "random groups", you might encounter some idiots, leeters or cheaters. I´ve made the experience, the longer you play online, you tend to find more people that share the same gaming style.
To the above mentioned 12 year old German kid, you may also seem like an ignorant, as you have other opinions about how a game should work. The biggest difference seems to me, that most younger players tend to be more impatient and using a "harder" language.
So if you don´t care about ladder ranks, ignore such players and only play with those you like. And there are many friendly people out there, that only want to play (and win, of course) the game.

Merrick
 
In the world of gaming every game, no matter wich, will have the idiots. Or rather "teh N00bs". Not in a term of being bad at the game, but being a little good at it and believing they or on top of the food chain and naturally, far superior to anyone else at the game.

Its a pitty really that such ppl excist. And they come in various forms depending on the game. A few are;

-Chatty *****: The defeat of him/herself or the team is not this person fault, but the fault of Jupiter wich was apparently aligned with Mars. Any other alignment and he/she would curtainly have kicked your ass.

-Scoutmaster "Billy": Expert at camping and other survival tricks around cornors. Altough this is debatable in mission where this person or his team's mission is to protect a curtain area/artifect.

-Grand Daddy N00b: Mostly all talk, or rather insults. With alot of !!! and caps, as Caps make everything you say automatically true. This persons insults list doesnt range much further then your mother, who clearly doesnt have anything to do with you whooping his ass.

-Luck and Talk: These people actually believe that because they shot you in the head with a pistol across 500m or begin with 4 iron, 2 horses, 6 gold and 2 cows with there first city is due to there vast skill.

And these are just the tip of the iceberg.
 
The Whinger: much like the chatter but as well as epxplaining his loss on annoying God that day, will whinge about having no iron bronze horses luck or just about anything that happens in the game untill he leaves the game usually because he got killed by someone with no iron bronze horse luck etc, but isn't stupid enough to tell evryone in the game about this(I ocassionaly fall into this category, but I dont go on all game and have the sense to say it just as I research construction and hook up Elephants)

Gods gift to CIV or whatever: This gamer has been there seen it bought the T shirt, in his vast experience of online gaming, anywhere from 6 months to playing CIVII online before it was written in 200BC. Knows everything and is better than everyone else because he has a win streak of +25 and a win percentage above 60%. Proceeds to remind everyone just how superb and awesome he is at the game, mock and generally belittle anyone else, right up to the point where someone snaps and takes him out with 4 archers and an axeman.

The NOOB/ANTINOOB: the player that declares himself to be an absolute noob while he runs off with a 200 score lead all game and kills all 7 players in the game.

The Kwizatz Haderrak(a sci fi version of Jesus): like God's gift to civ but actually is that good and doesnt even need to say it, so consequently doesn't. Players who inspire the expression WTH how did he do that far more often than you would like.

The idiot: just about every player at some point in MP falls into this catagory, you spend the alot of time in the staging room analysing in depth some pretty amazing startegies and tactics with other players only to find that you die turn 20 to a single axemen, while your still blabbering on about staregy A and not paying attention to the game.

The silent but deadly: the player either through a lack of English comprehension or just a lack of interest in being provoked, proceeds to make you look like a complete arse simply by killing you and another neighbour without raising a sweat simultaneously.

The prophet: Knows so much about the game can tell exactly who will win about turn 20 or who will do what or whatever, liken these players to Nostredamous alot of vague nonsense that could mean anything, but if 1 just 1 damn thing happens they predicted there somehow frigging prescient.

The Unknowingly Elitist vet: Pretty good at the game experienced and cool under pressure, unfortunately will often only play with other vets and spends most of his time ignoring anything you say to him/her without even realising just how ignorant that makes them look. Then acting indignant when you accuse them of being elitist

The cheat: too many of these for my liking, should lynch them all:D

The exploiter: like the cheat but uses game exploits to win:D

The arse: see this entire thread for examples

The smacktard: see above

The gloater: the guy who wins by a series of chance occurances but proceeds to gloat and regail anyone who will listen about his vastly superior gaming skills, even though he won because someone accidently marched all there units out of a city forgetting that they were stacked.

The clown: actually a hell of alot of fun to play with, not that good at civ but makes you laugh so much you end up falling prey to a sneak attack whilst your colapsed in fits of laughter under your computer.

The child: age is no indicator of the child, will proceed to throw toys out of pram unless the game starts to go precisely the way he wants from the moment he has a run of bad luck to the moment he inevitably dies, yeah gg my arse, lucky bstard. to which the reply is after there gone, don't know what he was on about I had 3 modern armour on his 4 spearmen and then I had 6 gunships on his musketmen and he lost 2 cities?

The patron: or the patroniser, the player who knows it all and consequently will spend most of the game telling you just how clever he is and sjust how stupid you are, normally gets killed by the silent but deadly.

the rest: normal people with varying levels of skill or experience which have there moments of being at least partially many of the above but in general are there to have some fun pound a few civs and not worry too much about statistics or rank.

There are millions of others but I can't think if them atm.:)
 
You forgot the

I'm-15-with-self-esteem-problems-but-overcompensate-with-super-cockiness-and-need-to-point-to-my-own-greatness-by-my-almost-perfect-win-rating-(which-by-the-way-I-achieve-by-dropping-as-soon-as-I-suffer-any-setback,-and-also-by-backstabbing-allies-once-said-ally-has-knocked-the-stuffing-out-of-opponents-but-is-overextended-and-weak--easy-to-catch-me-at-this-because-I'll-let-you-carry-the-load-yet-I-build-massive-units)--oh-any-by-the-way-I-have-a-small-peenie.

These are the guys who turned me off Starcraft MP.

Wodan
 
What about the Political Activist-Steers all conversations to the reasons the Liberals or Conservatives (depending on his orientation) are ruining the world. The game is just a soap box from which to preach. Playing chess online for a number of years I find that the pay subscription sites tend to eliminate some of the smacktards (it is a great word!)
 
LMAO, yeah keep the political stuff in the lobby or keep it private:)
 
Sidhe said:
I am so frighteningly good at the game that the only challenge I find is to play with artificially intelligent robots or players that have been beta testing for two years at least.

Just for the record, this is a joke...right?

:p

To Zekrazey1: Spot on mate, why that point seemed beyond the comprehension of my two detractors...
 
The true 'experts' play with all random settings. A true expert can play fantastically in all situations.

When I see these guys bickering over the settings, asking for certain civs, and whining about everything, I instantly know they are total idiots and noobs. If you have to play under the same conditions again and again just to win then you're not skilled, you're just a noob with blinders on.
 
Then there are the people who think the only "experts" are the ones who play the game the way they play it, and who use the "word" "noob" with a straight face... ;)

Sliszowsky's words negate his claims that there aren't idiots playing Civ 4 online. Because imo he sounds like a complete idiot in that interview.
 
I don't see the fun in playing on line. It is too detached. A huge part of communication is non verbal. When on line you can't enjoy your opponent's reaction to a surprise move or even annoy your opponent by moving objects around, scratching, snorting, picking your nose, going "ah", or feigning boredom. I so miss the days of face-to-face dice rolling and seeing my opponent's reaction when his 88 anti-tank gun jams as my T-34 rolls up to him, or when he finds out the carrier he attacked was bait and had only worthless aircraft on it while the SBDs were approaching to sink 3 of his carriers and all his returning aircraft. Board games are really superior to computer games: if you are losing, you can always have a pseudo-siezure and upset the board or sneeze violently and repeatedly to blow the little cardboard pieces all over the room - not that I ever did such a thing or thought of it until just now, of course.
 
OK. I'm so convicted, I just must confess. I am a snob. I am a wine snob -taste not price. I am a music snob. I am a skiing snob (I just don't trust boarders). I am a camping snob (How can one "camp" in a 45' motor home?). But, worst of all - I hate the sound that Harley's make! So, I'm even a mudercycle snob (I've had 2 and have a current motorcycle license but am not stupid enough to ride one in Houston Texas). There, now y'all know why I have to play solitare computer games.
 
Older than Dirt said:
OK. I'm so convicted, I just must confess. I am a snob. I am a wine snob -taste not price. I am a music snob. I am a skiing snob (I just don't trust boarders). I am a camping snob (How can one "camp" in a 45' motor home?). But, worst of all - I hate the sound that Harley's make! So, I'm even a mudercycle snob (I've had 2 and have a current motorcycle license but am not stupid enough to ride one in Houston Texas). There, now y'all know why I have to play solitare computer games.


Hating the way a harley sounds.... I can't imagine.

One day I will have to try this multiplayer online thing.... I will certianly claim 100% noob seeing as I have never played with real people before with the exception of a buddy for a direct ip game where we just beat the crap out of everyone.
 
Theodorick said:
The true 'experts' play with all random settings. A true expert can play fantastically in all situations.
In some multiplayer games playing random gives you quite an advantage over those who don't play random, IMO. I used to do it pretty much every game when I used to play DoW.

You get experience with all the different races/civs... you can then play to your strengths, and your oppenents weakness while your oppenent doesn't know what civ you are, and so can't do the same back at you.

Although this has less of a bearing on Civ than on other games with more distinct races, I'm sure it has some impact.

Random is also alot more fun IMO - variety is the spice of life! It makes every game different to the last.
 
That's probably why random is the norm in most on line games. Noobs and non ladder pick civs.

Sidhe said:
I am so frighteningly good at the game that the only challenge I find is to play with artificially intelligent robots or players that have been beta testing for two years at least. .

kittenOFchaos said:
Just for the record, this is a joke...right?

:p

To Zekrazey1: Spot on mate, why that point seemed beyond the comprehension of my two detractors...

No mate I'm serious I am that good ;)
 
"Ladder" is a group whose whole exsistance is founded on snobbery. (exclusiveness) Which is interesting because they are fond of such rules as "cton" - no trading , no allies ect. A female inspired concoction that they latched onto like a bunch of estrogen driven sheep.
"Only noobs and non ladder choose civs" lol - yes while the great elite ladder players choose random (as if that is some kind of big deal) -
basically if u have any idea of independant thought or like the idea of "choice" than why would picking ur own civ not be just as much of an option as not...
Ladder types put rules atop of rules- all of which favor (i suspect) those used to them- its the same players playing each other- an incestuous lot to be sure.
The wild and wooly days of the net has been replaced with micro groups carving out little niches- restraining freedom- and browbeating casual gamers- reading some of their comments is like listening to little tin soldiers in a row echoing each other's sentiments.

Don't be fooled or intimidated - reached 7th on the ladder afor i quit on civ3- and played many non ladder players that were superior in skill, manners ,humor and originality. A good crowd is a good crowd and that makes for the best games in my experience (many ladder players are great guys by the way- and the people running it are much nicer than i could ever be- and some members play non ladder games with no problem- and i have seen them help new players with patience and kindness-)
 
Yes if it was precisely like you describe I would not have joined it at all. And FYI I was talking about ctons ffa's you can pick who you like but most ctons are random, not all but most.

Who is this guy anyway? Elitist snobbery? Yeah right yawn heard it all before. The ladder ranking system means jack **** I wouldn't wipe my arse with it, it is no indication of skill talent or anything elses, it is free though and it's better than nothing. I joined the ladder to avoid judgmental proles and cheats and quitters, not to value myself based on some asinine scoring system that has no value because it's not designed for 8 player games but for games like chess etc. And I am one of those guys who likes to help. The ladder are a community and yes it's blessed with a few elitist idiots, but don't make the mistake of thinking these smacktards represent the ladder.

If you want to join a league that has a realistic and equitable scoring system join the French League I did and I'm ranked 33 after ten games and proud of it, should I feel shame that I'm doing well? Should I not want to rate my skill against the best players in the worrld mp wise? Obviously if you believe this guy not.

On the ladder the chances of me getting in the top 10 are zero because I rarely get the opportunity to play with them as they are in different time zones mostly although I did make no 8 once I doubt it'll happen again besides I can't abide 1v1's which are IMO very boring, so it's hard to advance in rank past top ten without playing them. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

And yes I was being ironic with that post in case anyone missed that. I think you also missed that point about being snoby about snobs too :):p

Incestuous lot, of course Mr Expert I am a member of 3 ladders and I play non ladder games too? As do many ladders, we are not exclusive, we just don't like playing for half an hour and having 3 players drop because they didn't like their starts. So we play with people we think we will have fun with, is this a crime now?

Games I like teamers especially 5v5, ctons,ffa's(I am a good diplomat), any scenario except classical which is to much about if you have horses to start or not.
 
Sidhe said:
No mate I'm serious I am that good ;)

Well I've played WITH you several times, we've never lost I can say that much, for instance:
 

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:lol: I had forgotten DD. I'm ok I supose but I think there's a few beta testers who could kick my arse easily.:)

Look at the teams there as well Urb I played with him in a teamer today where we beat the french no1 on the ladder and a couple of pretty tough opponents, unfortunately it was only a clan practice invitational but nm:lol: ;) He is a good player as is h-men.

Mind you our opponenets aren't exactly slouches either.

I can't remember too much about this game but it looked alot of fun, I love 5v5's:D
 
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Look out for the early warning signs. Spamming the lobby. Inability to monitor own behaviour, Keyboard courage i.e. saying things you wouldn't say to your worst enemy without expecting some violent exchange. The symptoms are remarkably similar to being drunk but those affected will be unlikely to fall asleep after ranting on for ten minutes. Best thing to do for someone in this state is to right click on their name in the lobby members section of the lobby and select ignore user:)
 
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