Civ Switching - Will it prevent you from buying Civ 7?

[ColtSeavers]

I'm sure they aren't surprised of the many negative reactions and that they are confident that they can convince over the next months and get 80%+ of the player base back for release. Just make people more familiar with what is actually happening in the game instead of the comically "it's HK 2". Show off the cool new things. Get people to watch good examples rather than bad ones. And all that, the usual marketing stuff. I'm sure some people worry. But I'm also sure that they expected more backlash than before. Every civ got it at the beginning and this one is a fair bit more adventurous with its changes.

Sure, but these changes are arguably much more signicant than the Civ 6 "comic art style" or even the switch 1UpT for Civ 5. This is a far more fundamental change than what they did for their previous titels, because it changes the very foundation of how the simulated history works in this game. I think it also depends on how well the competitors (i.e. Era History Untold) are doing and whether they can be serious alternative for unsatisfied "Civfanatics".

 

[TheGrayFox]

Gaming audiences are more vocally polarized online than ever. We're in the era of rage campaigns, review bombs, sockpuppeting accounts, etc. I'm sure they anticipated that some people would feel very strongly.

Look at these forums. Every other post is someone swearing up and down they'll never buy the game because of XYZ. The price, the civ switching, the return of 1UPT, the pop-up events, the cartoony graphics, the realistic graphics...

They literally dealt with it for the entirety of Civ 6. First with the art style, then with the accusations of "wokeness" due to the female leaders and climate change, etc.

This is such a bad argument. sticking your fingers in your ears isn't going to change the fact that the showcase of this mechanic literally caused the live stream to erupt in Ls. Do you think the people expressing negativity towards these changes are not a real human expressing their real opinions about a series some of them have been a fan of for decades?

1/3 of the current Civilization player base still plays the previous game and one of its most popular mods for Civ 6 changes its art style to look like 5. If we're telling you we're not going to buy this game or are going to wait until improvements because we don't like the directional changes we see, why do you think this is some nefarious campaign or that there is some silent unaccounted for majority who secretly LOVES the humankind changes?

 

[pokiehl]

Sure, but these changes are arguably much more signicant than the Civ 6 "comic art style" or even the switch 1UpT for Civ 5. This is a far more fundamental change than what they did for their previous titels, because it changes the very foundation of how the simulated history works in this game. I think it also depends on how well the competitors (i.e. Era History Untold) are doing and whether they can be serious alternative for unsatisfied "Civfanatics".

Recency bias, man. Go back and read early Civ 6 feedback. A loud vocal minority was positively foaming at the mouth and saying this would kill the franchise dead and that it was a radical departure, etc. There was highly politicized, vicious commentary from the "angry gamer" contingent.

Lo and behold, Civ 6 became the most successful Civ of all time.

 

[mackintosh]

In 33 years of playing Civilization this is the first time I've ever voiced my opposition to a change. While I doubt anything can persuade me to buy Civ 7 in the state proposed by Firaxis, at the very least I hope they release some gameplay footage that will show exactly how these era transitions work to put this needless speculation to rest asap. Allowing this to fester isn't doing anyone any favours.

 

[pokiehl]

This is such a bad argument. sticking your fingers in your ears isn't going to change the fact that the showcase of this mechanic literally caused the live stream to erupt in Ls. Do you think the people expressing negativity towards these changes are not a real human expressing their real opinions about a series some of them have been a fan of for decades?

It's literally the exact same thing that happened with Civ 6 lol. YouTube "erupted in Ls" nonstop. Where did I say they are not humans doing this? My point is it's a minority and the game is probably still going to be critically and commercially a smash hit.

1/3 of the current Civilization player base still plays the previous game and the most popular mod for Civ 6 changes its art style to look like 5.

Factually wrong. It is not the most popular mod for Civ 6. It's not even in the top 25.

If we're telling you we're not going to buy this game or are going to wait until improvements because we don't like the directional changes we see, why do you think this is some nefarious campaign or that there is some silent unaccounted for majority who secretly LOVES the humankind changes?

I don't think that. Not sure where you're creating this worked up theories from. I've told you many times: don't buy the game, buy something else that makes you happy. I don't care if you buy it or not.

 

[lt22677]

Congratulations! You correctly answered the question in this post.

Really? now many things are explained, so I would say that the concept of the revolutionary feature is not true or in any case it was born (at least as a basic concept) from the latest expansion of Civ 3: "The Conquest Scenarios" (which I have never played since I don't I found it interesting)

 

[Siptah]

Sure, but these changes are arguably much more signicant than the Civ 6 "comic art style" or even the switch 1UpT for Civ 5. This is a far more fundamental change than what they did for their previous titels, because it changes the very foundation of how the simulated history works in this game. I think it also depends on how well the competitors (i.e. Era History Untold) are doing and whether they can be serious alternative for unsatisfied "Civfanatics".

As I said, it's more adventurous, they probably expected more backlash than before. + it's 2024 and the internet.

re: competitors - I found HK very interesting, played it a lot, but it's not quite the same itch, it's too different. Similarly for Millennia, which I haven't played much though due to not having much time to spare/other games higher on the list. Old World didn't catch me, I dropped it faster than Rise & Fall and Gathering Storm. Ara seems not very interesting to me, but I can't put my finger on it. I've rarely heard anyone stating something on the line of: "x is the definitive better option to civ".* And I think it will continue like that because civ is just so simple, relatable, goofy, easy, fun-looking, and familiar.

* except that I know many people that switched to PDS over time and took that as alternative, but it's also a different itch.

 

[bv98132454]

Factually wrong. It is not the most popular mod for Civ 6. It's not even in the top 25.

Factually wrong. I just went on Steam Workshop and it is, in fact, #25.

 

[pokiehl]

Factually wrong. I just went on Steam Workshop and it is, in fact, #25.

That's a far cry from #1

 

[ColtSeavers]

I'm sure they aren't surprised of the many negative reactions and that they are confident that they can convince over the next months and get 80%+ of the player base back for release. Just make people more familiar with what is actually happening in the game instead of the comically "it's HK 2". Show off the cool new things. Get people to watch good examples rather than bad ones. And all that, the usual marketing stuff. I'm sure some people worry. But I'm also sure that they expected more backlash than before. Every civ got it at the beginning and this one is a fair bit more adventurous with its changes.

...and by the way, even if they get 80 % of their player base back, loosing 20 % of their previous customers isn't great either!

 

[Kev1916]

I'm sure they aren't surprised of the many negative reactions and that they are confident that they can convince over the next months and get 80%+ of the player base back for release. Just make people more familiar with what is actually happening in the game instead of the comically "it's HK 2". Show off the cool new things. Get people to watch good examples rather than bad ones. And all that, the usual marketing stuff. I'm sure some people worry. But I'm also sure that they expected more backlash than before. Every civ got it at the beginning and this one is a fair bit more adventurous with its changes.

I think they will be surprised at the backlash, however I doubt 2k will be bothered they probably ran the numbers and deemed that their singleplayer focused PC playerbase was low enough for them to risk loosing even large portion of those players in hopes of adding even more players in to the series via mobile devices and casual MP .
Agrressive marketing and a quite frankly shameless and disgusting cash grab up front, can override the long term player number decline of "Civkind "
This is not like previous Civ games and people imho are quite right to be afraid

 

[Equilin]

...and by the way, even if they get 80 % of their player base back, loosing 20 % of their previous customers isn't great either!

they're probably betting on those 20% playing civ 6/5/4, and will come back to watch gameplay demo for civ8 or buy 7 on a sale, thereby not "losing" customers

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

1/3 of the current Civilization player base still plays the previous game and one of its most popular mods for Civ 6 changes its art style to look like 5. If we're telling you we're not going to buy this game or are going to wait until improvements because we don't like the directional changes we see, why do you think this is some nefarious campaign or that there is some silent unaccounted for majority who secretly LOVES the humankind changes?

Hmmm...I wonder if someone will eventually be able to mod Civ 7 art style into Civ 6?
You can leave off the fog of war tiles, by the way. I don't mind keeping the hand drawn map.

 

[Kev1916]

Recency bias, man. Go back and read early Civ 6 feedback. A loud vocal minority was positively foaming at the mouth and saying this would kill the franchise dead and that it was a radical departure, etc. There was highly politicized, vicious commentary from the "angry gamer" contingent.

Lo and behold, Civ 6 became the most successful Civ of all time.

Sigh the example does not really hold this is the First "Civ" game to be released on all platforms at the same time, 2K will not care in the PC crowd dont buy into Civkind as long at the casual mobile user does

 

[pokiehl]

Sigh the example does not really hold this is the First Civ game to be released on all platforms at the same time, 2K will not care in the PC crowd dont buy into Civkind as long at the casual mobile user does

Civ 6 is a mobile iOS Clash-of-Clans cartoon game for babies and now Civ 7 is too. The example is perfectly salient!

 

[TheGrayFox]

It's literally the exact same thing that happened with Civ 6 lol. YouTube "erupted in Ls" nonstop. Where did I say they are not humans doing this? My point is it's a minority and the game is probably still going to be critically and commercially a smash hit.

its not even close. I was here for every release since V, the only complain that was even close to as vocally loud about Civilization 6 was about its art style. Were there some weirdos complaining about wokeness? sure but they were an asbolute minority.

The backlash agaisnt 6 was nothing like what we're seeing now . Again repeatedly infering that we're the minority without any basis is silly because you don't want to deal with the fact that most people here (like most other communities dedicated to civ) see the changes negatively rather than positively.

Factually wrong. It is not the most popular mod for Civ 6. It's not even in the top 25.

Oh my fault its actually 16, lower than the last time I played.

Sorry let me correct myself "one of the most popular mods through 6's history was a mod changing the art style back to 5s and 1/3 of the player base still plays V"

I don't think that. Not sure where you're creating this worked up theories from. I've told you many times: don't buy the game, buy something else that makes you happy. I don't care if you buy it or not.

and yet you seem very convinced on explaining to us how we're wrong to be vocal about changes we don't like and how we're really the minority of what people who are fans of civ want

 

[thecrazyscot]

Sigh the example does not really hold this is the First "Civ" game to be released on all platforms at the same time, 2K will not care in the PC crowd dont buy into Civkind as long at the casual mobile user does

What are you even talking about? What "casual mobile users" are being chased here?

 

[pokiehl]

Oh my fault its actually 16, lower than the last time I played.

Definitely not 16 either. Sort by "Popularity" and it's not Top 25. Sort by "Subscribers" and it's 25.

 

[bv98132454]

Definitely not 16 either. Sort by "Popularity" and it's not Top 25. Sort by "Subscribers" and it's 25.

If you sort by Popularity All Time it's #16, I just checked. Get your facts straight if you're gonna try to score points.

 

[pokiehl]

If you sort by Popularity All Time it's #16, I just checked. Get your facts straight if you're gonna try to score points.

Even better then right? To subscribe to the mod on Steam you have to buy the game. So that shows despite all the vocal hate the Civ 6 art style got, people still bought the game.