The civilizations have been continuous. They have changed, they have evolved, they have been influenced by other civilizations, but they have nonetheless been continuous. No one is saying that today's Chinese are the same as the ones from antiquity.
Making it a statement does not make it a fact.
Yes, the Abbasids have been confirmed, and in the PAX showcase they instead used the term "regional" path for Egypt > Songhai.
Yes, China has always been a capitalist post-communist Party state, Japan has always been a post-imperial post-wartime power, and Greece has always bee- I'm sorry I can't keep this up for Greece of all places. Greece? The country of lots of little countries that got conquered by a Macedonian that had a whole sea of other little countries that to this day celebrate the ways in which culture differs historically between each of the islands (I was in Crete a week ago).
Pop-history, you know.
Did you even read what I wrote? Did I write that China was always a capitalist post-Communist party state? No. I wrote that the Chinese people have always had entities in the region known now as China since time immemorial. The same can be said of the Japanese and the Greeks. So yes, these are the examples I chose. The current nation of Greece traces its roots back to antiquity, and speaks Greek - a language that was spoken by the ancient people of Greece. Culture and language have evolved with time, and this is what Civilization should be about. The Greeks, Chinese, and Japanese are just a few examples of civilizations that have made it from antiquity to our time, their culture influenced by the various events that had happened to them throughout history. No one says the people of antiquity have stayed the same to this day.Um... yeah, just like making a statement that what I said was not true. You are basically saying that people are not tied to their own roots and history, and new civilizations simply emerge out of nowhere once every while.Making it a statement does not make it a fact.
Ah, "regional", 'cause that makes more sense. First, they went against history, now, they are going against geography. Everyone knows that Egypt and Mali are in the same region...
No, that's not what I said. I had a post typed up, but I think it would be better to withdraw from this conversation. I have no vested interest in your opinion of history or of Civ7.
Mali is closer by land to Egypt and Aksum than Mali to any other civs
Modern Greeks have more in common with modern Turkish than they do with Ancient Greeks: religion, forms of government, world views, social norms, concepts of citizenship, national attachments, ideologies are all so close between the two nations that they can effectively communicate to one another exactly what it is that the other does wrong.
I was going to say, don't say that aloud in Greece (even if it's true).
Again, you are repeating the same thing over and over, not even noticing that this is is not what I said. I did not say modern Greeks are the same as ancient Greeks. Even modern Canadians are not the same as 19th century Canadians. What I am saying is that every nation has its history, and saying that the modern nations of the world are separate from their history is simply wrong. Of course modern Greeks are not like ancient Greeks, a lot has happened since, but they are still Greeks. The history of the Greek people does not begin with their independence from the Ottomans. This is just the history of modern Greece, or rather even its first episode, as modern Greece itself has undergone a lot, like occupations, revolutions, and military juntas. Is each such episode a civilization of its own? Or is it a part of the overall history of the Greek people?
No, that's not what you wrote. Not that what you typed here particularly means anything either; it's like saying we as humans had entities on Earth since we crawled out of the ocean. But hey.
True but the history of a nation is not Just the history of that location
Again, NOT what I wrote and NOT what I meant. Not every nation has existed since the beginning of time. Some are ancient, like the Greeks, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Some are newer, like the Americans, Brazilians, etc. Some exist to this day, some do not. But every nation has its history, and it is not the history of just one regime or entity.
Yes. Because Greece and Turkey are two different nations. And if you are going to say that Turkey was settled by Greeks before the Turks came - see the answer above. I was replying to the statement that "no civilization has existed from antiquity to our time", and I was giving Greece as an example of this particular case. I did not imply every civilization has existed from ancient times. So I really don't understand what answer you were trying to give me here.
Again, NOT what I said. I did not talk about specific locations. I talked about nations and cultures.
The whole point of Civ7s model is that you can build your civilization. Modern Greek culture isn’t just ancient Greek culture with iphones and orthodoxy. It contains aspects of dozens of other cultures that ruled over (or were ruled by people in) Greece, as well cultures of people that moved into Greece or traded, or communicated, with people in Greece.
Again, you are completely ignoring what I am saying. Of course Greek culture contains aspects of other cultures, yet it also remains Greek. Cultures influence each other, and the Civilization series has addressed this aspect in pretty much every iteration. In Civ VI you have cultures influencing other civilizations and applying pressure, causing loyalty to drop and cities to flip. Back in Civ III you had citizens of other cultures living in your cities. What they are doing in Civ VII is simply taking this aspect to the extreme. In every civilization game you could make your civilization develop in different paths, adapting to your surroundings and your neighbours in a way more natural and fluent way, as it has happened in history. Civ VII just lets you change your civilization completely. You were Egyptian, bam! Now you are Mongol. You are not Egyptian adapted to an environment with horses, you are just Mongol, period. You were Mediterranean, now, all of a sudden you have become East Asian. You were building pyramids and working floodplains, now you ride horses and live a nomadic life. And even if the change is less radical, like turning into the Songhai, it is still a very questionable game mechanic.
The “Bam” (big change every 100-200 turns) is because having partial change every 10 turns would get annoying.
