Civ3 Expansion Pack Announced!

[Graeme the mad]

'geeky'? - oh yes highly mature

Now what are the 'bugs?' - you have already cancelled out air superiority because you say pathces aint fixed it.
Niether lack of multiplayer or scenario maker are bugs

It s not simple fact that this game is a drop down from civ3 - its improved AI and trading system make it a much more rich diplomatic game than civ2 which better represents history IMO (but its an opinion)

 

[Paalikles]

Originally posted by Discovery One

What might the special units for each one be?

Spain.............................Conquistadore
Arabia............................Hashashim (Medieval assassin)
Polynesia.......................Catamaran (sea-going trireme)
Maya..............................Sahal (probably same as Jagaur Warrior)
The Netherlands............some renamed Man-O-War
Mali................................Camel Caravan - trade bonuses????
Inka...............................Far Runner (an ancient explorer)
Mongolia........................Horse Archers - what else?
Choson Korea................Turtle Boats (an early, lame ironclad-type) [/B]

- IMHO, as an Age of Empires II player, I like the (lame ironclad-type) Turtle Ship.
- The Netherlands were considered to be a nation of fishermen once...I think...perhaps they should have a fishing vessel as UU
- Arabia could have a camel rider...but I recon there must be even more alternatives....what would the Hashashim do?
Inka - huh? wouldn't that be dull? Then the forum will be flooded by posts saying Inca UU is SOOOOO lame, etc. Were the Incas expansionists? Don't know much about 'em.

hey what about vikings? Berserk or longship? Berserk equal of warrior, but as strong as swordsman? Longship able to cross the ocean?? would that unbalance things?

This game is sweet, isn't it?

 

[Grey Fox]

I actually dreamt this last night.

I dreamt that I was on a showing of the new civilizations and the expansion in general.

The only civilization I can remember from my dream was the Vikings, or the Norsemen as they was called in my dream (strange, as I'm Swedish).

The game used a new system for the unit's in the dream, every civ had 3 UU's. 1 Main UU, 1 Medium UU, and 1 Weaker UU.

Their UU's was Longboat, a Berzerker and for some reason; another version of the Knight.

 

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Graeme the mad
'geeky'? - oh yes highly mature

Now what are the 'bugs?' - you have already cancelled out air superiority because you say pathces aint fixed it.
Niether lack of multiplayer or scenario maker are bugs

It s not simple fact that this game is a drop down from civ3 - its improved AI and trading system make it a much more rich diplomatic game than civ2 which better represents history IMO (but its an opinion)

Geeky is the only term I can think of that describes people who have nothing better to do then to go around looking for someone to harrass that has expressed an opinion. Another good term is "ego Posters" trying to attack others to make themselves feel better. Other then that I really am sick and tired of using this open forum to express my own individual concerns about Civ3. If you don't agree with me fine that is all good. What I dislike is the attitude and down right mean spirited way of responding to my posts.
Civ3 has many great features, problem is there are many little bugs that effect the game play. The diplomacy is far from rich that is a dream. Alpha Centauri has the good diplomacy. Good combat etc. None of these things were even considered even though they were proven. I do not want to list all of the bugs I have found no room here there are that many.

I am not attacking anyone on the planet accept Firaxis for not coming out and telling us up front what will be fixed in Civ3. No reason for anyone to attack me accept someone from Firaxis that is who my posts are directed at.

I am pissed to no end that an expansion pack is coming with the added features for the editor etc that should be in the first release. I am amazed that everyone is willing to shell out more cash to get what was denied in the first release.

When you try to make a mod that is when the biggest bugs start popping up. One very annoying thing is how long it takes for turns to end even with 8 civs on a fast PC. The code could have been done better if the person had the ability. I would never play 16 civs it would be totally ridiculous wait time between turns. I played on 240x240 world 8 civs, late game turns took over 1 minute to complete. I am done with answering any more responses to my posts. Go ahead and have fun. I am out of here!

 

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Grey Fox
I actually dreamt this last night.

I dreamt that I was on a showing of the new civilizations and the expansion in general.

The only civilization I can remember from my dream was the Vikings, or the Norsemen as they was called in my dream (strange, as I'm Swedish).

The game used a new system for the unit's in the dream, every civ had 3 UU's. 1 Main UU, 1 Medium UU, and 1 Weaker UU.

Their UU's was Longboat, a Berzerker and for some reason; another version of the Knight.

Whoa I thought I had a gaming addiction I have not ever dreamed about any games. No offense at all I just find it humorous. Good mod by the way!

 

[David In Asia]

In all my years of using forums, i've managed to only have a couple (if that) of 'arguments', and i've certainly never jumped in and expressed an opinion on another persons post, but i couldn't help myself on this occasion, so apologies all round, but

Desert Fox, you are truly priceless - i don't even know where to begin. Firstly, you complain of "........people who have nothing better to do then to go around looking for someone to harass that has expressed an opinion." - check out page 9 of this thread - etj4Eagle expresses an opinion, and your reply? "Nice long boring lecture you are giving here..."

You constantly complain of immaturity. Some of your quotes? ....."Purchasing Civ3 was not done blindly I went out because I am a fan dipwad"........"Now go away just a like a little bee. No Wait, Bees I just smush them between my fingers."......."Go play in the streets or something ok little one ?"........" etc. etc.

And your opinion of this forums' users??........"Most are total loosers I might add spend all their time posting about what someone else has to say, how pathetic"..........."I was treating the guy like he is acting a little immature kid. Like most of the people who get on this web site"..........."If there were no bugs in Civ3 I would not be posting anything at all on this geeky web site."

Quit while you're ahead, DF. No, scrub that, stay here. It's funny.

d

 

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by David In Asia
In all my years of using forums, i've managed to only have a couple (if that) of 'arguments', and i've certainly never jumped in and expressed an opinion on another persons post, but i couldn't help myself on this occasion, so apologies all round, but

Desert Fox, you are truly priceless - i don't even know where to begin. Firstly, you complain of "........people who have nothing better to do then to go around looking for someone to harass that has expressed an opinion." - check out page 9 of this thread - etj4Eagle expresses an opinion, and your reply? "Nice long boring lecture you are giving here..."

You constantly complain of immaturity. Some of your quotes? ....."Purchasing Civ3 was not done blindly I went out because I am a fan dipwad"........"Now go away just a like a little bee. No Wait, Bees I just smush them between my fingers."......."Go play in the streets or something ok little one ?"........" etc. etc.

And your opinion of this forums' users??........"Most are total loosers I might add spend all their time posting about what someone else has to say, how pathetic"..........."I was treating the guy like he is acting a little immature kid. Like most of the people who get on this web site"..........."If there were no bugs in Civ3 I would not be posting anything at all on this geeky web site."

Quit while you're ahead, DF. No, scrub that, stay here. It's funny.

d

Glad you are enjoying someone getting mad. But you should read better. That bit about the lecture was him lecturing me on how to know if a game is any good. I reacted to him just attacking me on my posts. It is my given god given right to express my opinion about anything without being harrassed by jerks period!
You are no different then the geeks I complained about. My original post wise-ass was directed at Firaxis voicing my own opinion.
I may have said some things that really was childish and immature, but I was just getting on the same level as you and everyone else that is taking time to bash me. You and everyone are just hiding behind a keyboard and getting your kicks out of posting message harrassing someone. I only say things to people who are bothering me. Got it? Is that easyn to understand or should I find a language converter and put it in your language so you MIGHT find it easier understand? The english language I just assume is beyond you.

 

[Babble-on]

Originally posted by Novaya Havoc
Eight New Civs?

Spanish?:
It was a toss-up between including the Spanish, or including the Vikings. I chose the Vikings as Scandinavia has resources and room left to expand in on the world map, while Spain is isolated, small, and close to France, Egypt, England, Germany, Rome, and Greece. Omitted purely for location purposes.

-Ben

Wow, I think this statement shows a fundamental lack of understanding of Spanish cultural, military, religious and political influence on the world. Spain most definitely has to be included and below are my suggestions why:

Highly expansionistic in their glory days. Led the age of exploration by discovering the western hemisphere, documenting it, initiating colonization of the western hemisphere, establishing trade routes, initiating cultural dominance and religious conversion (oppression) of the native peoples and utterly obliterating two of the LARGEST native empires ever: the Aztecs and the Incas. They explored, colonized, mapped and took over almost everything from the tip of Tierra del Fuego (southern tip of South America) up to Northern California. Almost all of the western and parts of Southern United States were taken from original Spanish-colonized territory (California, Nevada, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, parts of Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.) Not to mention that they sponsored and succeeded in the first circumnavigation of the globe (Magellan's Voyage) and continued to settle and colonize areas as far east as the Philippines! The Spanish language is spoken throughout almost everything south of the United States with small exceptions like Brazil and Jamaica (which were other European colonies. They spread their music, cuisine, religion (Catholicism), dance and family traditions into these areas as well. Any person who lives in modern California can name at least three cities with Spanish names and at least 5 roads in each one with Spanish names. To deny this civilization as lesser in importance to the others you mentioned is a very sad mistake.

Yes I agree that there is an overwhelming amount of European civilizations in the game, but this is because of their cultural, political and military impact on a global scale. I agree that the expansion should include other civilizations from other areas, but at the same time, we cannot deny the obvious.

More importantly, I just want to know how much freaking longer I have to wait for it to be ported to the Mac platform, and of course, how much MORE IT IS GOING TO COST ME!!! For those of you who paid $40 for the PC version, mine cost $50 just because there are more letters in Macintosh than their are in PC! (j/k - bitter, but still j/k)

 

[Selous]

Originally posted by Graeme the mad
'geeky'? - oh yes highly mature

Now what are the 'bugs?' - you have already cancelled out air superiority because you say pathces aint fixed it.
Niether lack of multiplayer or scenario maker are bugs

It s not simple fact that this game is a drop down from civ3 - its improved AI and trading system make it a much more rich diplomatic game than civ2 which better represents history IMO (but its an opinion)

i think he is refering more to the lack of features that bug ... now that is .... but there are still some dumb bugs in the AI ..... such as when u add some sweetners to a deal (becasue for some reason u wish to help th AI) the AI refuses to accept ... so more aint always better ... but that one is relitivly minor

and the stepback in diplomacy is a crime in my opinion (and off corse its my opinion) especially in a self proclamed "diplomacy" game

and i think it is funny that dessert fox attacks some people here ... and is sooo guilty of the exact same thing he attacks people for ... that is called hypocracy where im from ... i found some of his comments to be offencive and elitist

but he is allowed to feel let down by this game (esspecially when the game is such a let down) .... and i guess u are also allowed to feel elation at the new cutdown slipstream civilization

so in short ... live and let live ... and how about we cut out the personal attacks dessert fox? ... and get to the heart of the matter .... paying for features promiced in the release just ****ing sucks

 

[Shoegaze99]

Hey D.Fox, you seem to be having a hard time living up to your promises. You know, "I am done with answering any more responses to my posts ... I am out of here."

Too bad.

And all for the same old same old, too. I bet you don't even realize what you're doing. As had been said before (and will surely be said again), irony thy name is Desert Fox. And irony you are certainly the master of, though undoubtedly you know not why. Ironic on so many levels.

Do yourself a favor, bucko, and stay true to your word. You're embarassing yourself.

 

[LaRo]

Hey guys, stay in the track or mods will close this thread.

 

[demonbug]

Oh boy, they finally got around to maybe finishing the game.
I'm sorry, but this whole thing about releasing an expansion just to add multiplayer (oh yeah, and a couple more civs (what for? They are just going to be more of the same)) seems to me like the move of a very greedy company. Civ3 has done quite well sales-wise, there really isn't any excuse for this. Alpha Centauri was released with multiplayer support, why couldn't they do that with Civ3?

Looking at what little information there is out about the expansion, it doesn't even sound very interesting aside from the multiplayer.

I wouldn't mind so much, but this was so obviously planned from the start to wring more money out of us the consumers that I find it pretty lame. If this is Infogrames' doing, Firaxis needs to find a new distributor. If it is Firaxis' doing, then screw them. It isn't like Civ3 is such a huge leap forward that they didn't have time to put in multiplayer in the original release, or at least as a patch.

Ah well, I guess to make a profit they need to charge us $70+ per game. Strange that nobody else does.

 

[damunzy]

Originally posted by LaRo
Hey guys, stay in the track or mods will close this thread.

It would be a good idea to listen to LaRo.

Desert Fox, you need to cool off and stop insulting other posters. Out of everyone in this thread you have stuck out as the trouble maker, starting with your off-topic post about Brian Reynolds. This forum is about Civilzation 3 and not a place for you to promote other games. Want to talk about RoN? Go to our All Other Games forum. This is a warning, continue posting in this manner and you could face a suspension of posting privilages.

 

[Desert Fox]

Glad you and everyone is finding my posts entertaining. I just hope Firaxis pays attention that was my aim.
Moderator Action: I find your post useless. If you want to chat with your new buddies then goto the chat room or PM them. Let's stay on topic.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Pangur Bán]

Is this thread about the civ expansion pack or is it about the character of Desert Fox and his adversaries?

 

[D.Shaffer]

To all the naysayers about the expansion pack, something to keep in mind. The original Civ2 had HOW many expansions, and how long did it take to get multiplayer? Honestly, nowhere on the Civ3 box did it say 'Multiplayer' and 'fully customizable game editor'. If you didnt think the game was complete without it, WHY DID YOU GET THE GAME. If you DIDNT get the game, then WHY ARE YOU STILL COMPLAINING?

It boils down to this. 'Was Civ3 fun?' and 'Was it fun enough to spend more money on it to give it added features?' If the answer to ANY of these 2 questions are no, what's the point in complaining about the expansion since you're not likely going to want to get it anyways.

 

[Supertavshan]

Excellent contributions - Agree with 95% of what you say.

Key thing for a new civ is to have had an empire - which unfortunately tends to involve the subjugation, to a greater or lesser extent, of other peoples.

As the old joke goes - without the Jews and the Irish the wrold would have died of boredom - but neither of them ever had an empire - and the state of Israel only went ahead in 1948 as a result of post holocaust guilt on the part of the Western powers.

Similarly the idea of an Aboriginal empire is a contradcition in terms. This doesn't imply any disrespect to aborogoanl Australians - it is just indicative of the fact that their history and society never really took in military conquest or internatioanl trading - in fact - from a Civ perspective the aboriginal settlers never got around to founding any size one cities, never invaade anyone's territory and lived in splendid isolation unitl a bunch of musketeers on some frigates tend up and things went down hill very rapidly

 

[Shoegaze99]

Well, D.Shaffer, many gamers these days are spoiled. It's that simple. If there is no multiplayer with a game they scream and hollar and complain, all while playing the game incessantly. It's a strange feeling of entitlement I cannot understand.

The current game was playable right out of the box, with no show-stopping bugs, a clean interface and all features as advertised.

As is the norm in 2002, some patching followed, patching that tweaked the game and made some general improvements. Great. I've always loathed the PC-developer notion that patching should be easily accepted, but at the same times it's the nature of the industry.

I'm still wondering what game features are missing, as is alleged by those who tear themselves away from the game long enough to complain about it.

 

[D.Shaffer]

Originally posted by Shoegaze99
I'm still wondering what game features are missing, as is alleged by those who tear themselves away from the game long enough to complain about it.

Well, there WAS one MAJOR bug, the Air superiority bug, but it's not like that was a game stopper. I hardly noticed it at the time and just didnt buy fighters when I figured it out, but it was hardly game breaking. The corruption WAS bad, but you could still win as it was. They just made it easier in subsequent patches. A few minor fixes needed? Yes. Bug ridden? No.

 

[Shoegaze99]

Ahh, the air superiority bug. I never saw it, but then again air units have not been a big part of my campaigns.

I did find the corruption to be overly high in the initial release, but that doesn't necessarily qualify as a bug (my understanding is that it was intentional), just a bad design choice. And I won with corruption as is anyway.

If those were the two biggest issues at release, sounds like a rather typical PC release, not an "incomplete" or "unfinished" game.