Civ3 Expansion Pack Announced!

[cleopatra143]

lol thunderfall i challenge you to a multiplayer game when the online game is released to sales

WHAT?!?! YOU MEAN WE HAVE TO PAY!?!? What a joke. I paid $40 for this game already!!! Grrrrr!!!! Oh well, I guess as long as its only like $10.99 or something, the multiplayer would be kool.....

 

[slightlymarxist]

Originally posted by Hurin
Sheesh, just a bunch of socialists around here. . . apparently, everything really cool should be free if you want it bad enough. I bet you spend your entire game using the communist government type.

Hey! I resent that.

Incidentally, I agree. You buy it, you bought it. Complain all you like though, it's the only way they'll learn... Is it just me, or are game developers in a general frenzy? I just purchased Might and Magic IX, and the noggin' game isn't even finished!

Looking forward to finally being able to play the Vikings...


Wonder who their leader will be, and what he (she?) will look like... Hope they don't mess up and give us horned helmets.



Yay!!

 

[etj4Eagle]

Originally posted by ChrTh


Uh, Apollo 13...Challenger...the Osprey...Three Mile Island...

Not to mention the more recent minor bugs that occasionally occur with satellites and the international space station. Every few months or so I hear a report of some software glitch that is delaying part of a mission or causing solar panels to fall out of alignment.

And of course in the private sector, non-game non-consumer product area there are quite a few nasty bugs that come up. There was a recent financial software that was buggy as hell. Of course the company told all its users that they had to upgrade right away to the new version, and then a few days later told everyone not to as it would utterly corrupt their data files (oops). And then you have process simulators which would crash for random reasons or start making corrupted saves.

For any really stable program, take a look at the system it is run on. You will notice that it is stripped down to the bones and every version is running on identical systems. Makes it a wee bit easier to get the bugs out when you have only one system configuration instead of millions. And even then things don't always work. I remember from work, furnaces having to be rebooted because their computers had crashed.

As Shoegaze99 said, don't make purchases based on expectations of what a game will be like from pre-release information, you will always be dissapointed if you do. Instead make your decision on what the actual product is, and sometimes you may decide that you should pass on a product that had looked really cool in its pre-release stage.

I very much enjoy Civ3 and am quite happy with my purchase believing that I have gotten my full value. However, that is because I did not purchase the game expecting a product that it was not. Now if I had been expecting a game fully right in the shoes of SMAC, I would have been deeply dissapointed. But I made a fresh judgment on what Civ3 was.

 

[-proletarian-]

Originally posted by Selous
i dont think u understand ChrTh ... we WERE promiced a nice powerful editor ... and now it looks like we will have to pay for it ... and im willing to bet u will have to have the expantion to play any user created games made by this new fangled powerful editor ... so to play the user created stuff ... u must have the xpantion .... and while some of u sprout that they have to make money (and no one disagrees with that) there is such a thing as reputation! ... firaxis and even the great sid himself seem to have resigned themselves with mediocraty ... nice rep to have ... yup .. we produce good dependible medocre games ... medocre at its best ... also coupled with poor support

not exactly what they intended i think

and btw ... i always see games for $100 .. that is what they cost over here .. and funily enought ... that damn game is still the same price

and how many people think that we will get to PLAY another 8 civs? or that there will just be another 8 civs to choose from at the start ... im betting on the latter and not the former .. that would take programming and effort

"poor support"? They released three patches in six months! What else do you want, a signed letter from Sid Meier begging your forgiveness for daring to release a product that doesn't exactly emulate your dream game down to every minute detail?


-wondering-

Why do so many people come off with this attitude that Firaxis owes them something? They are a game company. They release games. We buy them. It's just that simple.

 

[MummyMan]

Proletarian is right, i'm on the side of the optimists. I agree that the game did have some pretty major flaws, but what would you rather want, a game that was released "prematurely" to get the highest probability of turning a larger profit, which has been updated with 3 patches in 6 months, or getting the game later developed to the fullest degree. Hey, additions are to be expected, that's what XP's are for. Even though Firaxis said they would include a MP in the first version, i don't think they really "owed" it to the consumer to put it in. Let's face it, Civ 3 is not a real time game and shouldn't have to put in MP just because people wanted it. The cost of the game would go up even more if MP was put in, which would upset the large amount of people that don't want a MP civ3. The scenario editor is also sub-par, but again, it's the same deal with the first part of this post. They most definitely shipped out a quickly assembled product rushing to get the it out, but do you really care? What if they said when it was going come out "Oh no, it is missing a few parts and is full of bugs and gameplay flaws, we have to do some more work on it", would you be alright with that?

 

[ChrTh]

I think the issue here is that the majority of Civ III players don't care about MP, or editing, and maybe not even scenarios. They're sitting at home right now...playing the game...and have no idea that there's a debate, but if they did, they wouldn't understand it. They're playing the game, and they are happy.

In the end, it's the minority that has the voice here. Us optimists, part of a Silent Majority (RN would be so proud of me right now ), can argue against them all we want...but in the end, since they don't have an editor or mp to distract them, they have more time to complain and criticize (although I'm not saying their voice is without merit)--we're too busy playing the game to bring our voice to the fore.

And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[God]

Originally posted by ChrTh
I think the issue here is that the majority of Civ III players don't care about MP, or editing, and maybe not even scenarios. They're sitting at home right now...playing the game...and have no idea that there's a debate, but if they did, they wouldn't understand it. They're playing the game, and they are happy.

You're right about that. I would have liked an XP really only for scenarios. MP was no big deal for me because there are some far better MP games out there. Even scenarios aren't that big of a deal.

The scenarios I wanted to play would be war related ones. WW2, Napoleon, etc. I could get Empire Earth or some war game for $40 and get a more complete war scenario game. I'd end up spending $10 more than XP but get a far better war game.

24 civs are nice. But no big deal for me. I would have loved the Celts or Mongols but I like the game anyway.

I play the game at home, trying to beat each level and submit games to the HOF. Also trying to play some SGs which look like fun. Anyway I'll play till I reach diety and keep playing till diety is either too tough or its easy after a while. Then I'll stop playing Civ3, start playing another PC game, play it out for what its worth and move on.

Xps are always nice but I don't want to get one.

So I'll continue playing at home. Play till diety, try to beat Sir Pleb, play GOTM and try to win something, play the Tournament and enter elite division, play some SGs and variants when I'm bored with the rest of the game.

I haven't even finished Civ 3 as yet. I couldn't care less about starting on an XP. Maybe I'll get it during summer but unlikely.

 

[Crazy Jerome]

I'll pick up the XP when I get tired of the original. By then, it will be on the bargain rack for no more than $15.00, and any patches to it will be ready for download the day I get it.

As for feeling cheated with various elements--the real question is did you get enough fun out of the original box to justify the money? Now, I think it was released a bit prematurely. But I still had fun with it even so. If you didn't feel like you got your money's worth, then wait longer to buy next time (or maybe even don't buy).

And if people think flawloss software and flawless game design are that easy, go write your own damn game.

 

[Selous]

Originally posted by -proletarian-




"poor support"? They released three patches in six months! What else do you want, a signed letter from Sid Meier begging your forgiveness for daring to release a product that doesn't exactly emulate your dream game down to every minute detail?


-wondering-

Why do so many people come off with this attitude that Firaxis owes them something? They are a game company. They release games. We buy them. It's just that simple.

well ... the first patch was nessacary ... as the game was broken (air units just plain old dont work) ... the second patch just made the AI diplomacy so much worse, to the point many people had to uninstall it so that leaves the final patch that is quite a good one .... so 1 patch in 6 months .. great support
i beleive the game should not have been released when it did, and should have been released next christmas if christmas is such a big thang
and its nice to know that if i manage to flog anything off ... and the customer is unhappy ... i can always just say .. u bought it .. tough **** ..... but then as i said before ... the customer sure as hell aint comming back!
and while no one here is saying they want a game with NO bugs (although we want ... but it just aint going to happen) ... show stoppers that stop u from finishing really should be weeded out before release.
and us poor fools that buy games of the net that dont get to read the box ... only the developers notes and such get jipped because they dont include features that the developers themselves promice .... and we are supposed to not feel ripped off, when the said features then get released as an expantion ... somehow ... i dont think so ... if u dont feel ripped of by the game .. then good on u ... but dont tell me/us (the people that feel cheated and ripped) that we are in the huge minority and being foolish for our thoughts on the subject

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

I just wanted to say that I'll buy the expansion. And to everyone who is constantly whining about the fact that we have to buy it just remember that you had to buy MP for Civ2 and Civ1(civnet) and you had to buy 2 scenario CDs for all the scenarios and editor. So, please, just stop your whining.

 

[God]

I never bought the Gold Edition. Never played civ MP.

I just don't want to buy an XP. Rather buy a new game.

 

[Django]

Originally posted by Shoegaze99
rajofpsg,

All of this is why, you'll note, I think Mexico or Brazil would be a more reasonable modern civ to add to the game. They represent something not already in place, a people and culture and style of civilization not currently present. But I part ways with you on Spain representing all, because South American Latino culture is a beast all its own and is wholly unrelated to Spanish culture. There are links, to be sure, but they are very much two seperate entities and quite distinct from one another. That's why it would be reasonable to have both a Spanish *and* a Latino (whether Mexico, Brazil, etc.) civ.

Mexico is already in the game. The Aztecs are today Mexico. They called themselves Mexican and their capital Tenochtilan is Mexico-City today. It would be weird to have the same city twice in the game.

 

[Supertavshan]

Given that Civ is all about imperial pretensions it seems pretty dumb that he Iriquois get included but one of the major empires of the last few thousand years doesn't.

For those of you whose history is a little weak the Ottomans were at the gates of Vienna in 1483. They already ran the Balkans, the remnants of the Eastern (Byzantine) Roman empire including Byzantium / Istanbul , modern day Turkey a hwole lot of the middle East and dominated the mediterannean / Noth Africa. Istanbul in the 16th Century was the capital of the world and made most of Europe look like a flea infested mud pit.

If they had broken through in the late 15th century - all of Europe and subsequently N America - might well be Muslim!!

They also have their own distinctive military unit - Janissaries (literally yeni ceri - new troops) and various cool Sultans / military leaders. Obviously Mosque would replace cathedral!

In fact there is probably a very cool Ottoman expansionist scenario waiting to be built

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by Discovery One:

The Civs I'd Like to See
In no particular order:


Spain Isabella
Turkey Ataturk
Arabia Mohammed
Polynesia Kamehameha
Maya Hanab Pakal
The Netherlands William I
Mali Mansa Musa
Inka Atahualpa
Mongolia Jenghiz Khan
Choson Korea Yi Se-Jong

It should be pointed out that, even though the Prophet Mohammed would be the best choice of leader, it is against the Islamic religion to make an image of him. So there's a choice: pick a different leader such as Saladin or offend the world's Muslim community. Unless he were to be played with no leaderhead.

It's sad the way religion interferes with history.

 

[WarlordMatt]

The MP's gonna be hard to make, I imagine. I mean, there'll be multiple human players playing the same game. And say you're at war at one of the human players and you attack one of their spearmen with a swordsman. The spearman might not be there, because the human player might have already moved it. I don't see how Firaxis is going to do this.

 

[Paalikles]

Turks - great idea - love to see the Ottoman Empire (?)
Vikings - difficult to say who the leader of that pack would be - as a Norvegian, I should be extatic if they choose to include Norsemen...again
Mongols - Nomadic, but nevertheless a civ witch should be brought in from the cold.
Carthaginians (spelling?) - have been recognised as a civ earlier...
Phoenicans - now there is an ancient one..?!
Incas/ Mayans - certainly good choices - both advanced cultures back in the days...
Byzantines - Roman Empire already included....perhaps a breakaway civ (scenario or something?)
Martians - Hello! Is there anybody out there....isn't that a little far fetched... ...In the year 4000 BC the Martian Empire founded its first city Xplfgik.
The Middle-East is interesting - bet they'll choose something really old. Should Mohammed lead the Arabs? Should Moses lead the Israelians?(Is there room enough on the world map?)


The idea of breakaway civs is excellent Unfortunately though, I fancy seeing Firaxis pull that off. I do remember...vaguely...that in Civ2 (and perhaps Civ) an attack on the capitol of some civs would split them into two factions...civil war kind of thingie...is that still possible....?

I just civ. Wouldn't mind xp being free though
I payed $55 (550 NOK) for it.
Guess I'd like an XP at about $25 (250 NOK)...do hope it will be cheaper

With every game, my addiction gets worse...now would those blasted romans just stop pouring out those legionaries....OOOps...just lost Pharsalos...gotta go

 

[mario]

I agree.

No game editor, no bucks !

Mario

 

[damunzy]

Originally posted by WarlordMatt
The MP's gonna be hard to make, I imagine. I mean, there'll be multiple human players playing the same game. And say you're at war at one of the human players and you attack one of their spearmen with a swordsman. The spearman might not be there, because the human player might have already moved it. I don't see how Firaxis is going to do this.

It was done in Civ2 and it worked so I am sure they will get it to work in Civ3.

And Gonzo, shove it up your tail pipe! MP should be FREE!!!

 

[grantnoelsucks]

Calgacus, We shouldn't have to accomodate the muslims. Yes they would take offense if Mohammad was the leader, but if you think about it, they take offense to everything western anyways. It would be more fun to have him as the leader so I could take over and kill all the muslim cities and watch him get mad but do nothing about it. ha

 

[Kefka]

I just hope that it doesen't cost as much as the original game did
and what I'd like to see them do is put a male and female leader for both of them. so I can finnally play the egyptions and who knows some of them might acctually be hotter than J.O.A