Civ3 or civ4?

I usually refuse to use armies in C3C
'Sup to you. I'd rather up the difficulty level instead.

Also I have taken many early cities without Cats in civ4.
Certainly. Although early is the operative word, isn't it? And it's the only time that fast units can come into their own, although it's usually done with axes and swords.
 
'Sup to you. I'd rather up the difficulty level instead.
Higher difficulty doesn't change the fact armies are unstoppable and overpowering in C3C. In fact it makes it more obvious. (AI will still for the most part ignore your armies while they destroy and pillage everything in sight.) As with all civ games higher difficulty levels forces you to go more military where AI is the weakest.
 
Just an observation here...

More folks read novels than read encyclopedias, but it doesn't mean that novels are higher quality literature, now does it? More popular does not necessarily equal better. ;)

i said i was not going to post but i lied.

you failed to understand my post. I did not say civ 4 was "equal better". Novels are "not boring" so more poeple read them, and encyclopedias can be very boring:lol:

All i said was if civ 4 is boring why do so many poeple play it? I said nothing to do with it being better;)
 
Higher difficulty doesn't change the fact armies are unstoppable and overpowering in C3C. In fact it makes it more obvious. (AI will still for the most part ignore your armies while they destroy and pillage everything in sight.) As with all civ games higher difficulty levels forces you to go more military where AI is the weakest.

Smids got a point. When I play Civ3 Conq I try to limit one Army for every 25 citys or place some type of cap I think best suits the variables presented at start up(world size, water, climate etc). Basicly Im thinking in terms of a unit being just that (many units) so a stack of units is an army and a "Army" unit is General Pattons "3rd army". How many Patton size units would a country be typically able to control at one time . America was powerful and well developed (like a leading Civ) so I try to represent to my best abilty and some call this handcuffing though thats open to debate I guess. I do believe if you allowed yourself to play unrealisticaly to a certin degree, your only cheatin yourself from a more enjoyable game.

Even still if you wanna play arty blood fest, the game still requires you to be able to build them in mass, an opps! you decided to raise the sheild cost a lil. Now Civ3 is a game where only real production centers can build them at any considerable rate. Now the real challange begins, leading the attack with only a few armys if your lucky, you must bring all those expensive artys to the front.
Over artilary/army is a big AI breaker on a level equal to reloading with random seed set.

Now CIv3 becomes more how to maximize the bang for the buck. I had to make sure my passsge wasn't hindered by broken roads in the nutral path cleared through a warzone. I had to gaurd those guys more carfully or else put up with the sometimes long replacment trek that was required. (no big deal I just pointed to where on the map and some turns down the road they showed up, aslong as the road stayed clear of obstacles!)

Usually first I had to negotiate with uncooperative nations before I try my hand utilizing a more efficant path through their land to my indended target. It sure beats steamrolling behind an army unit with agazzilon cannons that AI won't bother to attack. (thats so cheasy it feels like cheatin with a game genie)

The fun part CIv4 can't offer is always AI booty! I would use these seized artys as representation of scrape material seized in plunder! and send it back with the boys down the supply lines to my weaker producing cities to spur their new war armouments so help comes to the front faster!The plunder helped in constructing sheild raising improvements and corruption killers to improve unit making capacity in the long run! (making CIv3 useless city from high corruption argument quite weak at the same time)

In a way, I was killing a major hurt associated with CIv3 and instead, I turned this into a way of enhancing realism using CIv3's setup to take advadage of dispanding units.

To play crappy techniques for bragging bout conquering SID or winning GOTM is not worth the effort.
My challange comes in conquering worlds that size and numerous obstacles closer reflect reality. Civ3 goes deeper in number of citys and Civ's I have to juggle relations with and take over.
This fact and Civ3's freedoms of trade and diplomacy combine to closer resembles the actual struggles that would be encountered and associated with a epic ordeal of those gigantic proportions
 
Actually I would say any average pc (by today standard) can easily run civ4 as long you have lots of ram. (1.5Gb) I've notice there more games today likes to use a Gig of ram.


Not every new PC has 1.5 GB of ram. To me thats quite a fair bit. And that would have a reasonable pricetag on it... And I suppose civ 4 requires over 2 GHz cpu speed. And not to mention the graphics card which would have to be over 64Mb. Not everyone could afford such a fast PC. However with civ 3 nearly any old PC can play it fine if there are not too many civs.
 
Not every new PC has 1.5 GB of ram. To me thats quite a fair bit. And that would have a reasonable pricetag on it... And I suppose civ 4 requires over 2 GHz cpu speed. And not to mention the graphics card which would have to be over 64Mb. Not everyone could afford such a fast PC. However with civ 3 nearly any old PC can play it fine if there are not too many civs.
I found most mid-range, as HP for example, has 2gb of DDR2 ram as well as a descent duel-core processor. (Even the cheapest pc has over 2 ghz single processor) You can also get a good mid-range card Gt 7600 for a little over a hundred. I was amazed how good this card was for the price (I paid around $112).

Of course not everyone can afford PS3 either ($600; ouch!) so have to stay with PS2 or Xbox for now.
 
I found most mid-range, as HP for example, has 2gb of DDR2 ram as well as a descent duel-core processor. (Even the cheapest pc has over 2 ghz single processor) You can also get a good mid-range card Gt 7600 for a little over a hundred. I was amazed how good this card was for the price (I paid around $112).

Of course not everyone can afford PS3 either ($600; ouch!) so have to stay with PS2 or Xbox for now.

Are you serious? A mid-range computer has 2GB of DDR2?? Wow.
This is about the highest I've ever seen (with my own eyes).
 
I found most mid-range, as HP for example, has 2gb of DDR2 ram as well as a descent duel-core processor. (Even the cheapest pc has over 2 ghz single processor) You can also get a good mid-range card Gt 7600 for a little over a hundred. I was amazed how good this card was for the price (I paid around $112).

Of course not everyone can afford PS3 either ($600; ouch!) so have to stay with PS2 or Xbox for now.

I'm not trying to argue with you but are you sure a mid ranged PC would have 2GB of ram??? I would classify that as a modern PC. But I do agree that 2GHZ of cpu spped isn't that much. $112 doesn't sound bad for a new graphics card.

Are you serious? A mid-range computer has 2GB of DDR2?? Wow.
This is about the highest I've ever seen (with my own eyes).

That's what i thought :eek:.
 
2 gigs is the most RAM you can get in a computer right now without seriously breaking the bank. If you walked into a Best Buy today, you would not see a computer with more than 2 GB.
 
If you want to upgrade, it's a good time now, memory prices are very low at the moment (2 GB = ~ $160).

90 bucks for 512 (including 15% tax) in Ontario Canada., and thats with a Dell service rep in the family. 160 for the who shabang sound cheap. Though it truly is cheap at the moment the whole PC industry IMO. On the other end specialized systems are through the roof (guess they always have been?) and so are wages to service them.
 
Bah. Maybe you should fire your service rep. :D

Just checked at tigerdirect.ca Eighty bucks for a gig. Admittedly, that's before the thieves get their claws into you.

Anyway, you don't really need all this memory. A gig is lots. Just get a decent entry-level video card. I have an EVGA 7300gs. Costs about US$60 these days. Together with my AMD 3400 and a gig of memory, the game responds great. That really is a pretty ordinary system these days.
 
^I can barely play it on my notebook.

About age and game, I'm almost 14 and think Civ4's graphics are a joke. This is not your Saturday morning cartoon show, but a real strategy game. Civ3 has the 'real strategy game' feel.

Imagine AoE3 was done like <insert cartoon here>, not very many people would buy eh? Same thing with Civ. (even blue marble STILL looks cartoonish, I prefer Sn00py's greener and Warpstorm watercolor for c3c, and what's terrain modification in Civ4? Nothing.

Now some points at another forum
me said:
Civ4 is REALLY different from Civ3. In Civ4, you attack cities by suiciding catapults (stupid) and throwing random crap at it until the unit die or city catches fire somehow.

In Civ3, it's not as much as quanity, more quality, since units promote on their on (reg, vet, elite) on during our turn.
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Civ4 has no SG capacity whatsoever. First of all, the turns end on random years like 689 Bc or whatever, second there is no RaR, CivAssist or stuff that I want for it, and it takes ages to download the mods (FfH, Sevo, etc.) And how I'm I supposed to mod not knowing what the hell python code is? Civ3 code is much, MUCH, simplier and quicker (i suppose, i never tried modding for Civ4). It's screwed when you want to change archers from 3 strength to 2 strength or whatever if it takes 15 minutes staring at your screen and typing random numbers and letters!!!!!!

It takes Civ3, probably less than a minute to do that...
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One problem with civ4 is that is bulky, it takes too long to switch between civ4 and the internet. Right now I have civ3 on and running fine. And the saves for civ4 are huge, 500 Kb for a normal late game save, the only in civ3 to do that is playing a huge deep into modern times!
 
Bah. Maybe you should fire your service rep. :D

Just checked at tigerdirect.ca Eighty bucks for a gig. Admittedly, that's before the thieves get their claws into you.

Anyway, you don't really need all this memory. A gig is lots. Just get a decent entry-level video card. I have an EVGA 7300gs. Costs about US$60 these days. Together with my AMD 3400 and a gig of memory, the game responds great. That really is a pretty ordinary system these days.

Wow no kidding? and its my own brother! :mad: Man times must be tough huh? The dude sells Dells but mostly services them for a Paper Plant. I asked him for a 512 stick (to increase from 718 to 1024) and he said 80 bucks :rolleyes: hmm mybe it cuz of the model type? or mybe he meant to get me a G thinking to replace a 206 for a 512 is kinda dumb if a G is only a lil more
Ether way were going to have a lil chat :)
 
Well. It wouldn't be too surprsing to find that the 1 gig stick and 512 meg stick cost about the same. I would think this is the case actually, so get the big one and upgrade your system to 1.5G
 
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