Civ4 shows liberal bias?

[IglooDame]

Funnily enough, what I find more amusing are people who are willing to let their government a free hand to quell "treason" and "un0americanism", yet maintain that the government could opress them

I hear ya. I'd probably find them more amusing if they didn't give me such a headache. :shakehead

 

[Proper Gander]

Yes, it certainly seems to be a select few that understand that both the Patriot Act and gun bans are potential threats to civil liberties.

Makaan nailed it when it comes to guns.

as for patriot act, ensure freedom by reducing it? t'is just a joke.
and a contradiction in itself. something the cons love...

 

[Sims2789]

actually we just want to control guns to keep violent people from having them. additionally, we don't want people to have m16s and ak-47s lieing around the house. guns are fine with me, as long as they are not used to kill people unless said people are endangering you

also, there won't be an uprising against the left, as everyone but the rich stand to gain from leftist reforms. I would find an uprising of CEOs hilarious

There's no point to gun laws when the government has tanks.

 

[Leonel]

Civ 4? Showing a liberal bias?

What next? The sky is blue? Water is wet? That'll be the day!

 

[nonconformist]

If Civ is so communist, then why do you have to pay $40 for it?

 

[Makaan]

There's no point to gun laws when the government has tanks.

people don't get guns to defend themselves from the government, the government has machine guns and jets and tanks as you said (therefore the effort would be futile). people get guns for personal security, hunting, etc. and some for malicious purposes of killing people. I just think that the common people don't really need assault rifles nor should they have them. shotguns, handguns, and hunting rifles are sufficient

 

[IglooDame]

actually we just want to control guns to keep violent people from having them. additionally, we don't want people to have m16s and ak-47s lieing around the house. guns are fine with me, as long as they are not used to kill people unless said people are endangering you

"We" feel that violent people are the ones most likely to get them in any case, so there's not much point in disarming only the law-abiding. And you might not realize how difficult it currently is to legally purchase a fully-automatic rifle, but semi-automatic M-16s/AK-47s are no more dangerous than your average hunting rifle.

 

[GenMarshall]

3. Let's make nuclear power plants useless by having them melt down every few turns. Anyone ever played a game with 10 or so cities, every one of which had a nuclear plant? Enough said. It's simple fact that modern nuclear plants are the safest and most reliable source of energy there is.

This is debateable, though for the conditions for the nuclear power plants to blow their tops is if the city is in a civil disorder for a certan leingth of time.

4. For even more laughs let's make the nuclear plant meltdowns cause global warming. There is no evidence that global warming is caused by any human activities at all. Whatever climate variations we see are explained far more robustly as just being part of the natural cycle. The false spectre of human-caused global warming is nothing more than an anti-capitalist political ploy.

Again, debateable. But the Coal plants also pump out greenhouse emitions too

5. Why FDR and no Ronald Reagan? They both defeated horrible enemies, and are both dead, but FDR gave us the legacy of New-Deal socialism while Reagan tried to reverse that trend.

There is only so much room for leader heads and leader stats to be placed into the game. If we add every leader in US history, then the memory to place them in would be too great.

6. Political correctness taken to the point of ridiculousness with the presence of Jewish missionaries and other religious incongruities. Either go all the way or don't. If you want to give us equal religions, then don't call them by their real-world names.

I agree that it has taken to the point of ridiculousness, but remember that this game is played with people of all faiths. Not just Christians and Athiests.

7. Fascism enabling the building of Mt. Rushmore. Moral relativism at its most disgusting - i.e. equating American patriotism with Fascism.

I disagree, the reasoning for the building of Mt. Rushmore on the discovery of Fascism is to time the wonder to be advalible during that time. If you remember correctly, Mt. Rushmore was built during the time Germany and Italy were Fascist states.

 

[jar2574]

but semi-automatic M-16s/AK-47s are no more dangerous than your average hunting rifle.

Right. That's why the army carries semi-automatics, when they could just carry hunting rifles and do the trick.

 

[IglooDame]

Right. That's why the army carries semi-automatics, when they could just carry hunting rifles and do the trick.

The army carries select-fire M-16s, that can be changed from semi-automatic, to three-round-burst, to full-automatic.

 

[Merzbow]

Two points I will refute
Global warming due to humanity is real. Basic chemistry can prove it.

So you can 'prove' that the Ice Age and all of the other massive swings in climate over the past 2 billion years were due to humans also? Amazing feat. The Earth's climate is a resilient feedback system that is able to self-correct against FAR larger perturbations that anything we humans could imaginably cause. Think of all of the meteors, massive volcano eruptions, etc. that have happened in the Earth's history. The Earth recovered from EVERY ONE.

 

[amby126]

There's no point to gun laws when the government has tanks.

Exactly. What we really need are spears. Lots of them.

 

[Kolyana]

One thing I've noticed about "Liberal Bashers" is that they are hate mongering, bible-bashing, selfish, egocentric and extremely narrow minded.

Since when has being "Liberal", wherein there is a want to leave our common man to their own devices, hold a motto of "each to their own", care for the planet upon which we live, and regard all beliefs as valid and sacred, been a bad thing????

 

[Corlindale]

>>>>The Earth's climate is a resilient feedback system that is able to self-correct against FAR larger perturbations that anything we humans could imaginably cause. Think of all of the meteors, massive volcano eruptions, etc. that have happened in the Earth's history. The Earth recovered from EVERY ONE.<<<<

Oh, yes, the Earth will most certainly recover. Humanity, however, will likely not prove as resillient...

 

[newfangle]

I know I say this every week it seems, but....this thread is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

 

[Proper Gander]

So you can 'prove' that the Ice Age and all of the other massive swings in climate over the past 2 billion years were due to humans also? Amazing feat. The Earth's climate is a resilient feedback system that is able to self-correct against FAR larger perturbations that anything we humans could imaginably cause. Think of all of the meteors, massive volcano eruptions, etc. that have happened in the Earth's history. The Earth recovered from EVERY ONE.

2 billion years are a big difference from 50 years.
all i can say is that where i live, i could sledge to school in winter, we'd have snow for at least 2 months if not 3, and quite a lot of that.

now, about 15 years later we don't have any snow anymore...

i wish you were right, but i fear you're not...

I know I say this every week it seems, but....this thread is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

i think it's great if you ignore the typical democrat vs republican banter.
we have some fair points from both sides, most rational come from the supposed left-wing however.

oh, and, stupidest is a word that doesn't exist.

 

[Speedo]

semi-automatic M-16s/AK-47s are no more dangerous than your average hunting rifle.
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Right. That's why the army carries semi-automatics, when they could just carry hunting rifles and do the trick.

Military rifles (ie M-16) are designed to wound. Hunting rifles are designed to kill. Take a look at a few tests of the damage caused by an M-16 round vs that of the average hunting rifle.

 

[meisen]

Military rifles (ie M-16) are designed to wound. Hunting rifles are designed to kill. Take a look at a few tests of the damage caused by an M-16 round vs that of the average hunting rifle.

Hunting rifles are more expensive. Military weapons are designed to stop an opponent with the lightest weight of ammunition possible so the soldier can carry more. Hunting rifles are designed for accurate fire at longer ranges than assault rifles are. Also the assault rifle is a relatively new type of weapon that came into use late in WW2. Before that, there was little difference in hunting and military rifles other than military rifles being more robust "economy" types.

 

[CurtSibling]

I cannot believe we are sitting in thr 21st century playing Senator McCarthy with a computer game.

Will someone get these people some kind of life, please?

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[Merzbow]

I cannot believe we are sitting in thr 21st century playing Senator McCarthy with a computer game.

Will someone get these people some kind of life, please?

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LOL so says the guy with 22,000+ posts on a forum about computer games. No offense dude but you walked into this one...