Hitler killed people for his own evil purposes.
People killed Hitler to stop him from killing people.
If you don't understand that, I'd suggest you go back to first grade.
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Hitler killed people for his own evil purposes.
People killed Hitler to stop him from killing people.
If you don't understand that, I'd suggest you go back to first grade.
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Thats because there is nothing wrong in sounding like other people, and Hitler is a human, not a creature of pure evil. His ideas arent really new, original or outdated. Iirc some of the baltic countries in Europe have a pronazi government and mourn Waffen-SS troops, go flame them.djvandrake said:
Hitler didnt kill anyone. His people did. Including innocents.airmikee said:
People didnt kill Hitler. They killed people. Including innocents.
So Hitler started it. And then everyone started to happily hack each other into pieces. Germans with Auschwitz, British with Dresden, Russians with Katyn, Japanese with Nanking, Americans with Hiroshima. I cant quite see who is who in that battle for the "good cause". Though maybe in the first grade things are told different(most certainly), you tell me.
P.S. Cant help myself but bring up the usual example. The "rightful executioners", the Crusaders, going against the "pure evil" of that time, the Muslims, and sacking Constantinople on their way. Classic.
djvandrake
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Oh yes there is, when the "Other People" are the origin of an ideaology of hate. You owe Lemon Merchant an apology in the biggest way.
Gladly. Because they exist then I'm supposed to accept their thinking? Not likely.
And it's incredible that you think I'm flaming you when you threw one of the worst insuinations imaginable at another member. I'm not flaming you, I'm pointing out the extreme vulgarity of your actions.
We did. You didn't listen. So here it is. THE AXIS POWERS WERE THE AGGRESSOR. They attacked first, they started the mayhem, they attempted to destroy all in their path and bend the world to their will. The Allied powers fought back to preserve their survival. Tell the people of London who had V-1 and V-2 rockets rain down on them that their cause of defending themselves and preserving their lives and liberty is not just! World War II saw unspeakable atrocity committed on every battlefield, such is the nature of war. One side was initiating the horror, the other side was fighting to stop it.
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An excellent idea sir.
Although I don't think it's appropriate to call Hitler pure evil - he was still a human - it's highly inappropriate (or perhaps insenstive is a better word) to liken anyone to the man, especially someone who has just expressed a passionate opposition to everything he was and did. You shouldn't need to make such a daring statement to draw a response. Talk about Hitler all you like but try harder to keep it from becoming personal.
Of course there have been similar attrocities many times through history, some possibly worse than what Hitler innitiated, but the difference is WW2 is part of modern history and is still part of many people who had family involved. You will undoubtedly offend many forum members if you suggest both sides were as wrong as each other, and as some have already done, they should unsubscribe from this thread.
Keep the discussion non personal if you want the thread to remain open.
Of course there have been similar attrocities many times through history, some possibly worse than what Hitler innitiated, but the difference is WW2 is part of modern history and is still part of many people who had family involved. You will undoubtedly offend many forum members if you suggest both sides were as wrong as each other, and as some have already done, they should unsubscribe from this thread.
Keep the discussion non personal if you want the thread to remain open.
Let me quote the post i initially replied to.
So what will it be. In my opinion "But he started it first" is quite a weak reason for justifying mass-murdering civil population. The simple fact of life is that even aggressors are humans.Lemon Merchant said:
Maybe Soviet Union. For all others it was just another war(comparable to others). Last time it happened was around 1810 with Napoleon.
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I am sorry, you are right. I will try to stick to older events.
Do you have any idea how a military works?
The soldiers do what their commanders tell them to do.
You're nothing more than a troll, and a bad one at that.
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r_rolo1
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Ok, point of view of someone that lives in a country that had not participated in WW2:
WW2 was a war for power, pure and simple ( like all the others, let's get real with it ). Both sides had no "moral" ( whatever that is ) high ground: if Germany made a stage up to make a war with Poland and Italy with Greece, US forced Japan to war by blockade and Roosevelt refused to receive the Japanese ambasador with a formal DoW just to able to play the "unprovoked and vile attack" card when everyone in the US governement knew that a fleet to attack Hawai was coming ( it even came in a Hawaian newspaper: "Attack in Hawaai expected this weekend" ). If Germany incarcerated Jews and others, other countries in the other side of the war also incarcerated people by racial issues ( most famous will be surely the Japanese in US, but also the Tchechens in USSR .... and UK , with what they done to the Boers 50 years earlier, is not unstained in that regard as well ). And I won't talk of the jewish Holocaust numbers, because I know cases of people in Germany that got to jail just by asking what was the minimum number the Holocaust laws acepted to be discussed without going to jail by Holocaust denial ...... I don't have a opinion about that, but as a person with scientific formation, I strongly suspect of any truth that needs to be inforced by law ......
WW2 was a war for power, pure and simple ( like all the others, let's get real with it ). Both sides had no "moral" ( whatever that is ) high ground: if Germany made a stage up to make a war with Poland and Italy with Greece, US forced Japan to war by blockade and Roosevelt refused to receive the Japanese ambasador with a formal DoW just to able to play the "unprovoked and vile attack" card when everyone in the US governement knew that a fleet to attack Hawai was coming ( it even came in a Hawaian newspaper: "Attack in Hawaai expected this weekend" ). If Germany incarcerated Jews and others, other countries in the other side of the war also incarcerated people by racial issues ( most famous will be surely the Japanese in US, but also the Tchechens in USSR .... and UK , with what they done to the Boers 50 years earlier, is not unstained in that regard as well ). And I won't talk of the jewish Holocaust numbers, because I know cases of people in Germany that got to jail just by asking what was the minimum number the Holocaust laws acepted to be discussed without going to jail by Holocaust denial ...... I don't have a opinion about that, but as a person with scientific formation, I strongly suspect of any truth that needs to be inforced by law ......
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