Civilization 5 and Steam(works)
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Acronym2
'Cedo Alteram'
A situation where Steam reacts like that is certain to cause a general scrutinization of Steam. I could not imagine all those users who paid for products just accepting the loss, nor could I imagine governmental regulating authorities not to notice and intervene.
You have well illustrated one point about Steam's control over our purchases that gives some people cause for concern. (If you read the Steam Subscriber Agreement, they make no promise about releasing activation codes if service is stopped for whatever reason or on any title.)
Interesting enough, I'm sure there will be a legal battle with Valve in the coming years, but probably not in the way many of us would think. As Steam gains a bigger monopoly over pc games, other dlc companies seeking a better share of the market (or in reaction to their shrinking market share) may likely use the legal system to try to break Steam's exclusive activation and distribution position. It has happened before and one can make the case for an unfair monopolistic advantage.
cheesemoose
Chieftain
"I will definitely NOT buy the game, because of Steam."
I can't live with Steamworks, but I can't live without Civilization. If Civilization V requires Steam, then it is not an improvement from previous games, and I am not buying it.
Sorry, Firaxis.
I can't live with Steamworks, but I can't live without Civilization. If Civilization V requires Steam, then it is not an improvement from previous games, and I am not buying it.
Sorry, Firaxis.
Senethro
Overlord
You've got more chance of Firaxis listening to you and taking your opinion into consideration for the sequel if you give some reasons.
Because once theres a generation of Civ players with a Steam friendslist and other features, it might be hard to remove.
Drakarska
Epic Dadness
Which I'm sure would make the Steam/Valve generation deliriously happy.
Actually, I beleive it was 2k's decision to implement Steam, not Firaxis.
Actually, I beleive it was 2k's decision to implement Steam, not Firaxis.
Acronym2
'Cedo Alteram'
Speculation on the decision to take Civilization to Steam integration is a tough one as some of the hotest titles have been courted by Valve (DOW II, Total War, etc). Although, I have sensed a definite change in Firaxis since 2K Games took charge. Look at all the press release hype about Civ5's features which seem to usually prove less than what's implied.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
No to Steam.
More intrusion into my life and computer.
Sell me a product that does Not require the internet. Most game companies can't do that anymore. Why? Because they release unfinished products and rely upon the internet and the buyers to help finish their product for them.
Sad day when a tool becomes the master.
JosEPh
More intrusion into my life and computer.
Sell me a product that does Not require the internet. Most game companies can't do that anymore. Why? Because they release unfinished products and rely upon the internet and the buyers to help finish their product for them.
Sad day when a tool becomes the master.
JosEPh
Acronym2
'Cedo Alteram'
Not to fan the flames of that fire, but I did think it was a little odd that the patch upgrades at installation for Empire Total War and DOW II were so huge especially for a just released game.
Drakarska
Epic Dadness
Kind of makes you wonder at that, doesn't it. Sort of has the potential of paving the way for all sorts of DLC possiblities.
azzaman333
meh
Deadlines. Also, I guess there's maybe a month between finalising the disc version and it actually being released, so they have plenty of time to patch things before the game is out.
If there is such a generation, it will be a mostly new fanbase, and not us. Everyone here will be willing to play a Civ, without mandatory Steamworks.
As for Total War, the reason the patch was so large is that the bigbox publisher CA had forced them to put the quality down the toilet down to shovelware. I fear 2K is doing that to Firaxis.
Spearthrower
Thrower of spears
My opinion isn't reflected in a poll option.
I will definitely buy the game - it's Civ, and I bought all the others and have always loved them.
I am disappointed that steam is being used, and I am especially disappointed that steam pre-orders will receive an extra civ and campaign/scenario.
This will not affect my decision to buy the game, but it makes me think less of the company.
I will definitely buy the game - it's Civ, and I bought all the others and have always loved them.
I am disappointed that steam is being used, and I am especially disappointed that steam pre-orders will receive an extra civ and campaign/scenario.
This will not affect my decision to buy the game, but it makes me think less of the company.
Steam is the most frustrating website I've ever encountered. The support section guy needs to be fired. Why isn't it easy to just get your damn password sent.
I went ahead and set up a new user on another email account, but it won't recognize the password on an account I just set up.
Steam is crap in my book.
Anywhere else I can pre-order the deluxe version?
I went ahead and set up a new user on another email account, but it won't recognize the password on an account I just set up.
Steam is crap in my book.
Anywhere else I can pre-order the deluxe version?
Good to know that you've been collating everyone's opinions.
I'm 20 years old, been playing Civ since I was six years old with Civ II in 1996 and I love Steam too. I don't see how it's only "new" people who will use Steam and, if that was true even, why that is a bad thing. If gaming series relied on one small pool of gamers who bought the inaugural release then they'd be in terrible shape. Terrible sense of entitlement with some members on this forum.
I'll more than likely buy it, eventually, once it's patched/unofficially patched/modded, but I'm very unsettled by this Steam-thing. I think I'll sit back and wait for things to shake out a little longer than usual.
I said mostly new. Also, the people who don't care- won't care if it goes back to something better in Civ 6. That group is going to buy Civ no matter what.
Senethro
Overlord
hey its alright man, typing is hard.
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Acronym2
'Cedo Alteram'
Yes, I can see that but the point I was getting at was that a dvd Steam-Powered game release always seems to have a very large patch even for a brand new release. A patch that could be considered much too big to simply be last minute tweaks. (In example; DOW II was about 6-7 GB on dvd and the initial patch download was about 1.2 GB. Rather large for a new game.) I wonder if the Steam integration may be installing over the game after all?
I find it interesting that about a month ago I pointed out that Cities XL had a 500MB download at registration, and that others have had larger ones, as part of my still unanswered question to 2K for those of us on dial-up.
At that time the steam-fans berated me for voicing irresponsible rumours, and that there would certainly not be any such patch. 2K Elizabeth said it was very unlikely.
Now it seems to be accepted that there will be some large download at registration, even though 2K Greg has not answered.
So, No High-speed Internet=No Use Buying A New Coaster unless 2K Greg will deign to answer the peasants pleas for information, and it provides a way to deal with this.
I'll not hold my breath.
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