Civilization: Mythologies

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by cosmicmangobear, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. cosmicmangobear

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    So, this idea has been bounced around on some of the other threads and I thought it deserved its own. If there were to be another spinoff focused on the folklore of ancient civilizations - what would such a game look like? Which factions would you want to see?

    Personally, there are a few civs with complex mythos and legendary heroes I would love to see included.

    CIVS

    EGYPTIAN
    Leader: Narmer
    LUA: First Pharaoh
    UA: Book of the Dead
    Patron Deities:
    Ra
    Thoth
    Horus
    Isis
    Osiris
    Maat

    GREEK
    Leader: Odysseus
    LUA: Voyager
    UA: Odyssey
    Patron Deities:
    Zeus
    Poseidon
    Hades
    Ares
    Athena
    Hera

    MAYAN
    Leader: Hunahpu and Xbalanque
    LUA: Hero Twins
    UA: Popol Vuh
    Patron Dieties:
    Itzamnaaj
    Ix Chel
    Huracan
    Chac Chel
    Kinich Ahau
    Kukulkan

    JAPANESE
    Leader: Himiko
    LUA: Shamaness
    UA: Kojiki
    Patron Dieties:
    Amaterasu
    Hachiman
    Susanoo
    Inari
    Omoikane
    Ebisu

    NORSE
    Leader: Brunhild
    LUA: Valkyrie
    UA: Edda
    Patron Dieties:
    Odin
    Thor
    Loki
    Frigg
    Freyja
    Hel

    VEDIC
    Leader: Arjuna
    LUA: Expert Marksman
    UA: Mahabharata
    Patron Dieties:
    Krishna
    Vishnu
    Shiva
    Rama
    Lakshmi
    Brahma

    VICTORIES

    There are four major victory types in which to win the game:

    DOMINATION

    The classic victory type that everyone knows and loves - simply put: “be the last”.

    SCIENTIFIC

    This victory type involves being the first to complete the Great Library of Alexandria and entering the Age of Wisdom.

    RELIGIOUS

    This victory type requires installing one of your patron deities in each foreign capital.

    HEROIC

    This victory type means completing enough quests around the map that the “glory score” of your civ totally eclipsing your rivals.

    I don’t have all the details yet, but suggestions are most welcome. I’m not too well versed on the mythology of some civilizations, but I’m hoping as a community we can create a foundation for which Firaxis will want to develop a full game eventually.
     
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  2. Rup

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    1:- This is a Civilization VI sub.
    2:-Including Hindu deities is not a good idea as it is the 3rd most practiced religion in the world.Might as well include Jesus and Allah then.
     
  3. Morningcalm

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    I think Age of Mythology could be a good guide insofar as monster/hero/god incorporation. I really liked choosing different minor gods with each playthrough of Age of Mythology, as each grants different bonuses (similar to the Age of Empires III politicians to choose from when "aging up").

    Of course, even in a mythological game there would be room for regular soldiers like hoplites and Egyptian archers.
     
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    Some lesser known groups might be cool, like Colchis and Libu. Maybe like a game that focuses on the bronze and maybe iron age.
     
  5. Lazy sweeper

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    Oh... this is interesting... how is it going to play out like cards swapping???
    Or you had something else in mind??

    There's already monos and Pantheistic in the main game, so philosophical, so no problem for me, but still it's a card swapping game where you can't swap cards with others, and they are all good, whereas the Ades gods are nowhere to be seen*. still cards...

    *ok I saw them now
    I'm not convinced about mixing good gods with nemesis gods can work out easily, especially Hindu, so I would choose whatever deity I want, being me maya, japanes, Maori, whatever, at this point...
     
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    We have an Heroic Age now, maybe we could be able to build some sort of living god only in this age, just to unleash some total deluge for the world over....

    Ok, I'm dreaming right now... that can't be that bad... but Imagine call Moses to your Army support and destroy The Egyptian Army crossing the Red sea....
    Calling Seth and unleash a Mummy army armageddon all over the world.... I'm going pure evil now....
    Total fun!
    One could later use some Normal faith cards to counter this Heroic/Mythological age space trips to the deep of the ocean, but this is fun....
     
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    I think a civ game like Age of Mythology would be fantastic actually. You could have mythological units like centaurs. Imagine sending your centaur unit to attack a city! Playing as greeks, you could get a Hercules Great Unit! When you reach a certain amount of faith, you could "buy" a god unit, like Isis or Zeus with unique abilities. I think it could be super cool, especially combined with the empire building of civ that we already love.
     
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    Even Age of Mythology has a Chinese faction (over a decade after adding the Atlantean faction).

    It would be interesting to see Chinese deities.

    Believe it or not, there's some video games that incorporate Hindu and Japanese pantheons (along with the usual Greek, Egyptian, and Norse pantheons), such as Puzzle & Dragons, despite Hinduism and Shintoism being widely practised religions to this day.
     
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    This or something focusing on Neolithic/Chalcolithic/Bronze Age is probably the best choice for a spinoff. I've thought about such a spinoff before.

    Hindus don't have a prohibition against depicting their deities, unlike Jews, Muslims, and some Christians, so it's quite different IMO.
     
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    For more modern civs, national personifications (that are in the public domain of course) could be leaders as well.

    America: Uncle Sam
    England: John Bull
    France: Marianne

    ... and many more

    Some of the units could be based on national folklore that are in the public domain.

    For example, Canada can have levitating canoes and the United States can have a giant lumberjack by the name of Paul Bunyan.
     
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    There has to be a Atlantis civilization and Lemuria civilization. And if we are going to get New Age-ish, maybe even some kind of high tech aliens from antiquity can be thrown into the mix. After all, among us New Agers, we do believe that many great ancient civilizations had extraterrestrial origins.
     
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    Civs that must be included and some creatures they can have:
    Greeks (Amazons and Centaurs)
    Egyptians (Priests of Anubis and Sphinxes)
    Norse (Dwarves and Vargyr Wolves)
    Chinese (Chinese Dragons and Lion Dogs)
    Celts (Druids)
    Japanese (Kitsune)
    Indians (Naga snake and Ganesha)
    Aztecs/ Olmecs/ Maya ( Jaguar/ Eagles?)
    Haida/ Sioux/ Iroquois (Thunderbird)
    Inca
    Some African Civ
     
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    Egyptian, Celtic, Greek and Norse mythology are musts, and other interesting possibilities include Chinese mythology (used in Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom, which Ed Beach produced back in the day), Persian/Sumerian mythology, Maori/other Pacific mythology, and Aztec/Mayan mythology.

    Hindu mythology has been used in games like Smite as well (where each player plays a god from world mythology to beat others in combat). So I don't think using Hindu mythology will be a problem.

    I guess some of the biggest questions in a Civ game based on mythology would include questions on how the tech tree would work, and how god powers would be incorporated (even if not as flashy as Thoth's Meteor or Hel's Nidogg from Age of Mythology). And would mythical units be unlocked with techs, or god worship? How important would a potential faith/divine favor resource be for use in purchasing Heroes or mythological monsters? Would there be quest-based RPG/random event systems?
     
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    I think using minor civ instead of the whole mythology would allow much more civs (under the same gods) to be added. For example we can have one from Ramayana and one from Mahabharata, both using the same set of Hindu gods.
     
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    How about Titans from AoM: The Titans?

    They would be excellent for finishing up domination victories.
     
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    Age of Mythology is quite possibly my favourite game of all time so I'd love this so much.

    I think it would be really cool if the gods themselves could be civ leaders, working under a base for their particular culture (yes, I'm thinking AOM). Imagine running into Zeus, Shiva or Osiris! And heroes could be a variation on great people, with far more unique and individual appearances and abilities. This way we can enjoy the Civness of the Mayans recruiting Bellerophon or the Norse conquering a city with Lord Rama. Minor gods could function similarly to city states and could help evolve a very personal pantheon depending on the playstyle.
     
  17. cosmicmangobear

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    Now THAT would be interesting. In addition to Uncle Sam and Paul Bunyon maybe throw in Columbia, John Henry, Molly Pitcher, Lady Liberty… we got ourselves a pantheon. :worship: Although that’s all but guaranteed to ruffle a few feathers when put up next to ancient cultures with millennia of folklore.

    Yoruba, please! I want to see some Orisha. West Africa has SUCH a rich and underrated mythological history. And on that subject maybe some Haitian Voudou featuring Papa Legba et. al.
     
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    @cosmicmangobear I don't think that Narmer belongs in this list as he is a historic pharaoh and not a legendary or mythological one. Also, I wouldn't call him the first pharaoh, as there is Dynasty 0 before him. I'd just go with Horus the elder.

    After seeing gameplay of At The Gates lately, I wish this would have been civ VI's spinoff, actually.
     
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    I'd probably throw in some magical abilities, just for fun, too
     

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