[LP] Civilization VI: Leader Pass - Predict the leader abilities

He doesn't require expansions, so it can't be loyalty related.
I'm sure it might have to do with luxuries and amenities, or lack thereof. I hope we're on the right track and he can't build plantations, or something like that causing unhappiness. :dunno:

Oh that's too bad, I was thinking they were going to take a page from their dramatic ages mode, and you would lose half your cities as free cities once you hit the Industrial age.
 
America's ability has to do with wild card policies (or legacy bonus in vanilla). Maybe it hates you for having used certain governments in the past or using certain cards.
 
To be fair, America already has a lot of civic flexibility. They have an extra Wildcard slot for every Diplo slot in a government, after all. Their bonus could theoretically tie into that, but I have my doubts. The CUA for the vanilla game is still the ole' "Double Legacy Do Nothing", which has no such synergies.

Whichever bonus Lincoln gets, I doubt it's Scientific or Cultural because Bull Moose Teddy already provides that. Why head in a similar direction with your third leader? Econ, Faith or Industry is more likely to me, but that's just my two cents.
 
To be fair, America already has a lot of civic flexibility. They have an extra Wildcard slot for every Diplo slot in a government, after all. Their bonus could theoretically tie into that, I doubt it. The CUA for the vanilla game is still the ole' "Double Legacy Do Nothing", which has no such synergies.

Whichever bonus Lincoln gets, I doubt it's Scientific or Cultural because Bull Moose Teddy already provides that. Why head in a similar direction with your third leader? Econ, Faith or Industry is more likely to me, but that's just my two cents.
Lincoln himself was an agnostic-turned-deist; giving him a Faith bonus would be very strange. My money's on Industry.
 
Lincoln himself was an agnostic-turned-deist; giving him a Faith bonus would be very strange. My money's on Industry.
Depends on your interpretation of "Faith". Faith in the sense of 'religious zeal', yes, doesn't fit the bill at all. Faith in the sense of "a currency representing strong ethics, a philosophical outlook on life and general soulfulness" on the other hand.... that's very Lincoln, wouldn't you say?

The game seems to lean more into the latter definition from the Industrial Era onwards, given you can spend it on Great People and Rock Bands. Industry is much more likely, but I wouldn't rule out Faith entirely.
 
I guess tying Lincoln's stuff into amenities rather than loyalty would also keep him vanilla-friendly. And Montezuma would love him...
I mean having unhappines does factor somewhat into losing loyalty, so it still works.
America's ability has to do with wild card policies (or legacy bonus in vanilla). Maybe it hates you for having used certain governments in the past or using certain cards.
I know people would hate this agenda but I think it would be great if he hated you for just improving luxuries with simple mines and plantations, instead of focusing on building bigger industries like Industrial Zones or lumber mills (since he grew up in a log cabin). :)
 
I know people would hate this agenda but I think it would be great if he hated you for just improving luxuries with simple mines and plantations, instead of focusing on building bigger industries like Industrial Zones or lumber mills (since he grew up in a log cabin). :)
I wouldn't hate it! Befriending AIs is overrated anyway ^__^

I think Lincoln or Nzinga is going to have the City State Ally agenda as their personal agenda, regardless.

Speaking of Nzinga, i keep thinking about that screenshot of Kabasa I saw earlier:

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Forty. One. Housing. wat.

That's an absurd amount of housing, even by Kongolese standards. It's 5 per Mbanza so, that implies Kabasa has at least five, and most likely six or seven mbanza's. THAT'S AN INSANE AMOUNT WHO NEEDS THIS MUCH WTH.

Unless of course, it ties in with the leader bonus. From the same screenshot:

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Since when do amenities give growth bonuses? Isn't Food the ONLY yield not improved by Amenities? Did this change in the year I didn't play?

I've a feeling Nzinga's ability somehow allows her Kongo to grow exponentionally larger than Mvemba's Kongo. I think she gets housing and amenities from being the Suzerain of city states.
 
Depends on your interpretation of "Faith". Faith in the sense of 'religious zeal', yes, doesn't fit the bill at all. Faith in the sense of "a currency representing strong ethics, a philosophical outlook on life and general soulfulness" on the other hand.... that's very Lincoln, wouldn't you say?
It's very...the image he wanted to project, yes. "Ethical" is not a word I'd associate with Lincoln; he was ruthless and ambitious and absolutely believed the ends justified the means. The "Honest Abe" persona he adopted was simply part of that ruthless pursuit of his goals (and a testament to his skills).

Either way, though, I would consider industrialization much more characteristic of Lincoln's presidency, and I would still guess his abilities are related to that.
 
I've a feeling Nzinga's ability somehow allows her Kongo to grow exponentionally larger than Mvemba's Kongo. I think she gets housing and amenities from being the Suzerain of city states.
Maybe it's because she's effectively leading both Kongo and the other kingdoms of Ndongo and Matamba? :think:
 
Maybe it's because she's effectively leading both Kongo and the other kingdoms of Ndongo and Matamba? :think:
Yes! She was the de-facto suzerain of a unity of small kingdoms and tribes, so she makes sense she gets an international dip bonus (to contrast lincoln's likely domestic one and sultan saladin's likely war-like one). Amenities and Housing (which is supported by the screenshot) ties in really well with Kongo's other bonuses.

I bet she gets the City State Ally Agenda as her HA as well.
 
Since when do amenities give growth bonuses? Isn't Food the ONLY yield not improved by Amenities? Did this change in the year I didn't play?
Food as a yield itself isn't boosted by Amenities, but Growth Rate is, checked the Text in the game and yes, AMenities growth bonus is actually a thing.
 
What was said during the livestream makes it sound like her ability relates to religion and relics.
Yep, which... well, the Kongolese CUA supercharges Relics so much that it takes Mvembe's malus to relic creation to really balance for it. Since what little we know about Mbande is that she can build holy sites and found a religion (the latter was confirmed in the stream, right?) then this leaves a few different ways this could go:

1. Mbande gets a different Relic malus. It would make some sense, but it would need to not nullify the CUA (otherwise what's the point) and there's not a ton of room to play around there in an interesting way. Apostles can't gain the "Martyr" promotion? I don't know what exactly they'd do here.
2. Mbande gets an additional Relic bonus. This would seemingly negate Mvembe as a leader entirely, but it's late in the game's lifecycle, so maybe?
3. Her LUA is largely unrelated to Relics, but they're still such a big part of the Kongo kit as a whole that you're going to be playing for them anyway. This feels the most likely to me, but I'll be happy to be surprised.

Honestly, I can't believe they'd include her and not have her ability have something to do with Alliances. It's just right there, and part of the Vanilla mechanics. And maybe I just like that you can go for Mvembe (loving the Portuguese for bringing him Catholicism) to Mbande (allying with the Netherlands to fight off the Portuguese.)
 
Food as a yield itself isn't boosted by Amenities, but Growth Rate is, checked the Text in the game and yes, AMenities growth bonus is actually a thing.
Cool, I actually didn't know that!

Still an absurd amount of amenities and housing though~
 
It's very...the image he wanted to project, yes. "Ethical" is not a word I'd associate with Lincoln; he was ruthless and ambitious and absolutely believed the ends justified the means. The "Honest Abe" persona he adopted was simply part of that ruthless pursuit of his goals (and a testament to his skills).

Either way, though, I would consider industrialization much more characteristic of Lincoln's presidency, and I would still guess his abilities are related to that.
His abilities were industrialization because he lived in the north where DC was. The south had more plantations. I would say that emancipation was good because of the abolition of slavery, and the fact that he helped 'preserve the union' by keeping the southern states from revolting into confederate states of America.
 
His abilities were industrialization because he lived in the north where DC was. The south had more plantations. I would say that emancipation was good because of the abolition of slavery, and the fact that he helped 'preserve the union' by keeping the southern states from revolting into confederate states of America.
I didn't comment on his quality as a president, only as a man. ;) Lincoln was precisely the leader the country needed in its darkest hour, and his death was cataclysmic for the nation, with Johnson being too soft on former Confederates on the one hand and Reconstructionists being too harsh on the South in general on the other. Lincoln's middle path would have seen the Confederates kept out of positions of influence and the South restored to the Union with as much clemency as possible under the circumstances. None of that has any bearings on his personal ethics, which could best be described as Machiavellian. He had principles; he simply believed that any manner of conduct was justifiable if it was in pursuit of those principles.
 
First off, I wonder if any updates to the game as a lot of NFP abilities were just new versions of existing abilities. Babylon's Enuma Anu Enlil is just Dynastic Cycle set to 100 instead of 50.

Abraham Lincoln's ability will be that anyone he's at war with cannot use foreign trade routes. It's what he attempted to do to the confederate states during the US civil war, and the ability exists in the World Congress Resolution "Trade Policy".
 
I didn't comment on his quality as a president, only as a man. ;) Lincoln was precisely the leader the country needed in its darkest hour, and his death was cataclysmic for the nation, with Johnson being too soft on former Confederates on the one hand and Reconstructionists being too harsh on the South in general on the other. Lincoln's middle path would have seen the Confederates kept out of positions of influence and the South restored to the Union with as much clemency as possible under the circumstances. None of that has any bearings on his personal ethics, which could best be described as Machiavellian. He had principles; he simply believed that any manner of conduct was justifiable if it was in pursuit of those principles.
He needed to adopt emancipation to help keep the union since other places like Mexico had earlier emancipations. US was having :mad: from emancipations from other nations particularly in the South where the slaves were at.
 
I would like it if Lincoln couldn't use the triangular trade policy card. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned. It doesn't really go with what they said on the livestream, but I see no reason why a leader can't have 2 maluses. Since this one is fairly minor.

Amenities seems like it might be the other malus. I'm guessing they are put in situations where they could possibly get to -7 amenities. Which is considered revolt. And I'm guessing they have a pretty good bonus to offset that.
 
Couple ideas:

Nzinga: Relics generate envoys and give combat strenght to land units.

Lincoln: Every new city settled gives bonus yields to capital and cities in capital's radius, but also take away amenities from cities far from capital.

Sultan Saladin: Gain faith rewards from destroying non-barbarian units and from capturing cities.
 
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