Civilizations that should have been in civ III

[Sultan Bhargash]

Inca, Dutch, Mongols, Arabs, Swahili, Polynesians, Eskimos... oh, you know what, with the money they make they might as well have put all the freaking civs in there!!!!

 

[Rydbeck]

I would like to see following civs:

Spain - Great explorers and the birth of the crusaders
Incas - greater empire than the aztecs
Vikings - Kickass warriors, and widespread trading
Mongols - the biggest empire of all time. Why arent they included???

I have been thinking if they shouldnt include the
persian empire aswell. I think they have done some big misses
when they picked civs to civ3.

Thats all i can come up with right now...

 

[Anielewicz]

Originally posted by fsume93
I think there is already plenty of Arab/Middle Eastern/Muslim influence in the game. Egypt/Babylonia (modern day Iraq)/Persia (modern day Iran) are plenty for that influence. Why do you need Arab after that? And for what it's worth, Persians are decendents of Germanic tribes.

Thats a pretty narrow minded statement.

Egypt was an advanced civilization way before the birth of Islam and being invaded by Arabs from the Arabian peninsula. What makes them Arab or Muslim?

Babylon existed way before Islamic existence too. What makes them Arab or Islamic?

Persians are not arabs, nor were they converted to the islamic faith for a long time when they were at their pinnicle as the Persian Empire.

An Arab civilization would recognize the importance of the Arab influence in this world. They basically saved the Western world from the Middle Ages by saving and progressing Roman-Greco knowledge. Might as well kick out the American civilization since they are just peons of the British Empire.

 

[Anielewicz]

Originally posted by spiky82
i would say koreans, spanish, scandinavia (vikings), switzerland,
netherlands, mongols, huns, change egypt to Arabs, change English to British, etc.

Koreans? Blah, they were vassals to the Chinese and then to the Japanese all the time. Now the South is a ***** for the US and the other still a vassal to China.

Egypt and Arabs are not the same!!!! JEEEBUS.

English to Brits? Why I ought to punch you in the nose. A welshman, scotsman, and irishman are all different! Never shall we kiss the arse of London!!!

 

[Kiki]

I like to see these:

Arabs
Polish
Incas
Vikings
Mongols
Celts
Nubians (African Tribe. Different from Zulus?)
Spanish

These I thought about but I am iffy about them wether they are actually civs or not:

Switzerland
Dutch
Mayans
Turks

 

[Anielewicz]

Turks are a legitimate civilization. They basically were the supreme power of the Middle East for centuries until Western incursions after World War I.

 

[Kiki]

As far as the Arabs and the Turks go, would they be the same Civ or different Civs? Arabs represent the Muslim aspect of the world.

 

[Anielewicz]

Why would you say Muslim aspect of the world? Arabs are not all Muslims! Muslims are not all Arabs! Arabs are a minority in the Islamic world!

Might as well create a civ of Christians and replace all those European civs.

Arabs always resented Turkish occupation. Why would they be considered the same civilization?

 

[Admiral Lilwall]

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Canadian and Australian? Nope! They are old colonies that got their independence from Britain just because London wanted to get rid of them. When I looked at the closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games in Sydney, I was very astonished to see how poor the Aussie's music is. Most of the songs were americans. No offense Australians, you are nice but, you are not different enough from the English empire to be considere as a distinct civilization placed among the top 16 of the game.
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You go to England, then come here and see how different we really are. We're far more like the USA than we are England. We didn't get out independence simply because London wanted to be rid of us. What sort of history are you reading? As for the olympics, the americans had a tanty because that old boss guy decided not to use them, and were then allowed later.

On the subject of the thread, people SHOULD make whatever Civ they want. Big deal if a Civ someone has suggested hasn't done something anyone else thinks is worthy to be included in a game, mod, or whatever else. It is just a game. If you don't like the idea, then simply don't download it if or when they arrive. If you want realism, just go outside *shrug*

I wouldn't mind playing an Australian Civ. I'm looking forward to the one that is in production right now. If anything, the Aborginals would be a good choice for a Civ. Certainly been around longer than the British, and a good number of the other Civs featured in Civ3.

And whats wrong with wanting your own country in the game anyway? Why should anyone NOT make their own, or anyone else's country on the basis that someone else thinks it doesn't fit? Excuse some of us who would like to play as their own country.

Hell, let's see some entirely made up Civs! We get entirly made up planets after all

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

The fact is, while Arabs are not the same folk as ancient Egyptians, they are a closely related ethnic group (as are Hebrews and Ethiopians, all Afro-Asiatic language group peoples). The justification for giving us an Arab civilization would be the fact that in a few hundred years Arabs had spread their culture and religion from Spain to India. However, Islam itself was quickly co-opted by the numerically and technologically superior Persians and later the Turks, etc. I would like to see an Arab civ similar to the one in the Jihad scenario in CIV2, with fanatic horsemen who would be able to overcome all units before cavalry. I think there are political and social reasons why the Arabs (whose city list appears in the CIV2 MGE rules, as does the Incans) are not included; the very ban on representational art in stricter Islamic schools might even be a factor.

 

[Blackadder]

How about an old civilisation that has kept its freedom even during the colonization and Imperialism days, The Thailanders.

Also as a Scot I have you know that we don't have to be remembered with the English special unit, we have the Highlanders regiments and the bagpipers (more of a fear factor unit, still employed today)

If anyone wants to create an ancient civ and includes Picts, perhaps the Scotti tribe should be included as well?( the Irish who took over Pictland)

I agree with Admiral Lilwall, the Aborigines should be a civ and perhaps the Polynesians.
Poland-Lithuania definitely!
The Huns as a civilisation would not do as although they were horsemen and rode Europe it is noted they never built anything and were marauders. Perhaps the Hungo-Bohemians or the Austro-Hungarians?

Should we have duel nations? ex. Denmark-Norway.

 

[Anielewicz]

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
The fact is, while Arabs are not the same folk as ancient Egyptians, they are a closely related ethnic group (as are Hebrews and Ethiopians, all Afro-Asiatic language group peoples). The justification for giving us an Arab civilization would be the fact that in a few hundred years Arabs had spread their culture and religion from Spain to India. However, Islam itself was quickly co-opted by the numerically and technologically superior Persians and later the Turks, etc. I would like to see an Arab civ similar to the one in the Jihad scenario in CIV2, with fanatic horsemen who would be able to overcome all units before cavalry. I think there are political and social reasons why the Arabs (whose city list appears in the CIV2 MGE rules, as does the Incans) are not included; the very ban on representational art in stricter Islamic schools might even be a factor.

Note that some obscure scholars believe Egyptians were more related to the Southern Nubians...

 

[Shal]

I don't think that Hebrews and Ethiopians are close ethnic groups, but definitely Israelites have more rights to exist as Civ than many others. Who gave us the Bible, that provided source for majority of contemporary cultures. Don't forget, that particular Civ's importance have many aspects, not only military presence on considerable percent of Earth surface. Israelites have greet leaders, like Moses and Kings David and Solomon, and they definitely are commercial (or scientific) and religious peoples.

As well I very like the idea of Polish-Lithuanian civilization (since I was born in Vilnius - Lithuanian capital). It was spacious kingdom in 13 -17 centuries with serious influence on Europian affairs. They had a number of famous people and a strong military, able of beating very strong German knights army in Griunwald battle (1410).

And, of course, without Spanish with their expansionism Civ lost a lot of flavor.

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

Shal, whether you "think" so or not, linguists, archeologists, geneticists, and historians "know" that the Afro-Asiatic ethnic family stretches from the Sahara to the Gulf. During the famine of the 80s, Israel airlifted out Falasha Ethiopian Jews and set them up in Israel. Ethiopians claim that Queen of Sheba with whom King Solomon got it on was their Queen Makedah, and that their son Menelik brought back the Ark of the Covenant to Axum.

The Ethiopians, the only African people who never became a colony and who were only occupied for 5 years by Italy during the start of World War 2, who have their own brand of Coptic Christianity for which they have built huge monasteries carved into the Earth and great cathedrals of stone, who had their own writing and books while most of their East African neighbors use the arabic or roman alphabet, and who were mentioned by Herodotus as the teachers of the Egyptians (and yes, the Egyptians are related to Nubians AND to Arabs) are truly THE AFRICAN CIVILIZATION par excellence. I assume we got Shaka because computer honkies like to call all blacks Zulus, and we ought to be thankful they didnt give us the MauMau instead!

 

[God]

Well we could also have the Mali's. They were a great empire. The richest in their time.
The Koreans are another. They had a turtle shapedlike ship. It had excellent defenses.
And there's Austria also.

I don't think that Hebrews and Ethiopians are close ethnic groups, but definitely Israelites have more rights to exist as Civ than many others. Who gave us the Bible, that provided source for majority of contemporary cultures.

Well what about the Arabs. They gave us the Koran. They had an empire that went all the way to Spain.

What about the Turks. Not only the Ottomans, also the Seljuks. They fought in the Crusades.

 

[Marla_Singer]

ETHIOPIANS RULE !!!

Human beings are born in ETHIOPIA and it remains independant of the despotic decadent victorian empire of my ass

Selassié king of the RASTAFARAIIS.
Menelik as the greatest leader.
ONE unique civ! the ethiopians ! no frontier ! no barbarians !

WE ARE ALL FROM ETHIOPIA

 

[greenie]

Originally posted by Locutus

You guys really want to check out how 'us Polytubbies' resolved (or actually, are still resolving) the endless discussions

Polytubbies?

I guess that makes us Fanatubbies

 

[Yankee1489]

The VIKINGS

The spanerds

And for kicks and giggles.........The AUSSIES. It would take up room on the map.

 

[The Middle Man]

Mesopotamians they started it all!